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Is techno a form of art? (pg. 4)
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| Desty Nova |
| quote: | Originally posted by Estella
shiggity, splaggit boom bop! |
Boom kak boom boom kak |
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| Clovis86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Estella
Because I still have 5 open slots this month to mention this song :stongue: and I feel you're worth it:
Choice - Acid Eiffel.
FEEL IT?! RIGHT THERE IN YOUR SOUL!
Just make sure you give credit where it's due to Psy T and Laurent Garnier.
I couldn't find a clip, if you need it, PM me. |
Garnier rawks. |
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| basd |
| quote: | Originally posted by paranoik0
*i'm guessing basd will come and say he disagrees here, but it's just a matter of taste |
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I'm all for Detroitish, laidback stuff for home listening purposes, but when spinning or going out, I prefer the more energetic stuff. I despise hardtechno though. |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by basd
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I'm all for Detroitish, laidback stuff for home listening purposes, but when spinning or going out, I prefer the more energetic stuff. I despise hardtechno though. |
Yeah I have to redicover Detroit techno, maybe it's not like I used to hear. I despise hard techno too, it gives me a headache... |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Semirk
Ok granted it was not the most intelligent of comments from me but in my opinion techno has so much more depth to it whilst it is being produced, every sound has to be tweaked intensely to make it correct on most occasions. With trance for example, make a bassline or any other loop and you can loop it over till it bores the out of you. On the melodies thing, they don't make something music, most of the time i'd prefer to listen to something without one, its more about the sounds than some note variations. |
To be frank, that's just studio bollocks. It'll sound horrible in 30 years. Fiddling around with digital sounds is less musical than actually penning a melody. There are also extremely well produced trance records out there (lots of them by BT, who is a better producer than any techno producer I've ever heard of) if you desire crisp sounding music. |
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| Semirk |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
To be frank, that's just studio bollocks. It'll sound horrible in 30 years. Fiddling around with digital sounds is less musical than actually penning a melody. There are also extremely well produced trance records out there (lots of them by BT, who is a better producer than any techno producer I've ever heard of) if you desire crisp sounding music. |
I can't knock your opinion but just as you find that will sound horrible in 30 years, that is also how I will perceive trance and a few other types of dance music. Its all about personal taste. A melody still has to be messed around with if the original sample is not how a producer desires it to be, there will always be tweaking whether there is a melody created or not. I make melodys myself but I personally prefer them weird in their construction rather than something generic. There shouldn't be a rulebook when producing, there should not have to be a melody or a bunch of forced onto every production people make.
All the stuff I listen to sounds very crisp to me so I'm not going to listen to BT or whoever to find a slightly bit more 'crispness' in sound. You can't say hes better or compare either, its a completely different genre therefore competition is irrelevant and lame to think that way. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
Not really. If you read an interview with BT and how far he takes production then you'd probably agree. There's the artistic side of producing (ie, creating things from sounds) which is obviously purely subjective, but on a technical level BT is up there with the very best.
The production side of trance may sound horrible in 30 years, but a tune's a tune. If you've built your house of cards on production trickery, it has a limited shelf life, especially in such a technology based field as electronic music. |
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| Semirk |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Not really. If you read an interview with BT and how far he takes production then you'd probably agree. There's the artistic side of producing (ie, creating things from sounds) which is obviously purely subjective, but on a technical level BT is up there with the very best.
The production side of trance may sound horrible in 30 years, but a tune's a tune. If you've built your house of cards on production trickery, it has a limited shelf life, especially in such a technology based field as electronic music. |
Well agreed I'm not saying he doesn't put a hell of a lot of time into his tracks on a technical level but whats to say a techno producer does not put in a similar level of care and attention into their productions. You just may not know about them. Theres techno from the early 90's that still sounds brilliant today and thats 10-15 years down the line so theres nothing to say this won't be the same with modern day music, at least for the techno lovers anyway. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Semirk
Well agreed I'm not saying he doesn't put a hell of a lot of time into his tracks on a technical level but whats to say a techno producer does not put in a similar level of care and attention into their productions. You just may not know about them. |
Well go ahead and name 'em!
My point wasn't "BT > techno" or something inane like that, but rather that there is extremely well produced trance out there if you enjoy that side of dance music, but these producers also have a melodic foundation to their music (some better than others- it helps that BT is a ing brilliant musician as well as a prodigal studio boff). |
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| Zombie0915 |
I am noticing a bit of a hypocritical pattern. On one side you have these people who are all about finding tunes with high production, who insist that a tune come out of the best technology can offer, expensive synths, expensive fx, top of the line hardware and expert use of those machines. But at the same time those same people prefer these tracks that come from years long past, when machines weren't nearly as advanced, when the music came from a grassroots movement of ameteurs throwing illegal parties, when there weren't all these fancy expensive machines and there wasn't enough money in the industry for all this fancy studio stuff.
I don't think spiral tribe had a six figure studio is what I'm saying. We have this really expensive taste these days, but at the same time lament that EDM no longer sounds like it did in the days when things did not require as much money. Does it seem strangely contradictory to anybody else? |
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| Mike_Foyle |
| this thread is gay :D |
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| renttresnor |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
Yeah but some people like melodies and melody has been the foundation for a lot of western music over the ages. |
Get this, there was a time when techno had more melody than Trance.
| quote: | Originally posted by Estella
Just make sure you give credit where it's due to Psy T and Laurent Garnier. |
Yeah, I think i'll replace some random internet dummie named "Psy T" with the other guy who worked on Acid Eiffel, Ludovic Navarre. :rolleyes: |
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