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| LiquidX |
| Americans are inmigrants, and inmigrants have always come here.. some periods more then others but it has been all the time, and it has grown to be because of inmigration. soo.. anyways. They better get something through, 12 millions its a whole lot, 2,000 bucks each = a lot of money that the US needs. |
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| Skylight |
| quote: | Originally posted by biznology
possibly the only quote within four pages that had any semblance of sense.
if we stopped using Mexico as a source of recreation/labor/cheap factories and product the outcome would be different.
the main fact of the matter is:
the USA chose to allow Mexican immigration after the depression-world war era in an effort to combat the loss of productivity. especially in the west, workers of adult age were far fewer than necessary for a booming power unhindered otherwise by the destruction of war. the whole cesar chavez thing began of this.
saying mexicans are unwelcome and no allowances should be made on their behalf ignores most of this country's history any way that you look at it.
they are here, more will come - and the only way to structure america's future with that reality is to work with both canada AND mexico.
that alone would solve many issues| |
Yes, America needs to help surrounding countries instead of prospering off of them. And Yes, The United States is founded off immigrants. But,if you look at the facts the whole cesar chavez thing acctually DID NOT SUPPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION either. Our immigration policy should be changed, and the government needs to prove they can enforce a policy before the way to become a citizen in this country is made any easier. We need immigrants in this country and we also need to have more control on the flow of those people that enter our country.
On an almost unrelated point, President Bush's stance on immigration and his allowance of illegals to enter into our country with such ease is making a mockery of his entire administration and everything he stands for on the war on terror. If We were in as much danger as he is trying to make people beleive than there would be concern with what bombs could be smuggled over our border. President Bush is showing he doesnt care about terrorism or his country for that matter, only his wallet. |
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| josh4 |
| quote: | How does Mexico treat its illegals?
By Larry Elder
Apr 6, 2006
"We can't infringe upon the right of people to move freely within our territory," said Mexican President Vicente Fox during President George W. Bush's recent visit. Earlier, Fox said he stood by the statement he previously made to the BBC: "I dare say that in 10 years, the U.S. will be begging, will be pleading with Mexico to send it workers."
Does Mexico practice what it preaches?
First, Mexico put its military and police forces on its porous, zigzagged, mountainous, crime-ridden southern border with Guatemala. Chiapas -- the South Carolina-sized southern Mexican state that shares the longest border with Guatemala -- is Mexico's poorest, most illiterate state. About Chiapas, one United Nations human rights commissioner said, "Mexico is one of the countries where illegal immigrants are highly vulnerable to human rights violations and become victims of degrading sexual exploitation and slavery-like practices, and are denied access to education and health care."
Typically, when Mexican authorities catch illegal aliens, they place them overnight in a detention center, then bus or fly them back to their country of origin. Despite the fact that Mexico militarized its border and deported 203,128 illegal immigrants in 2004, many illegals get through by bribing corrupt military and police.
Do Mexicans appreciate the way America has allowed so many poor, Mexican illegals to enter the United States? No. According to a recent Zogby poll, 73 percent of Mexicans call Americans "racist"! When asked whether the United States' wealth comes from freedom and "plenty of opportunity to work," 70 percent of Americans agreed, while only 22 percent of Mexicans agreed. Sixty-two percent of Mexicans said America became wealthy because "it exploits others' wealth."
While Americans, according to the poll, see Mexicans as hard-working (78 percent), Mexicans think of Americans as racist, intolerant and not very hard-working.
Racist?
Mexico should look in the mirror. According to the Houston Chronicle's Rachel Graves, around the turn of the 17th century, Mexico imported more African slaves than anywhere else in the New World. As a result, tens of thousands of blacks (no one knows for sure -- the Mexican census does not recognize them) live in Mexico, mostly in destitute villages in its poorest states. An estimated 30,000 to 40,000 blacks live in Costa Chica.
How do they fare? According to the Houston Chronicle, many are illiterate, struggling to get a decent education for their children from government schools. One Costa Chica missionary says, "The kids here are considered by their teachers to be largely unteachable." When stopped by the police, Mexican blacks are often instructed to sing the Mexican national anthem to prove their citizenship!
If so many Mexicans consider Americans racist, why do polls show that nearly half of Mexico's inhabitants say that their lives would improve if they could work here illegally?
Intolerant?
America legally accepts about one million immigrants per year, with perhaps as many as 12 million people living here illegally, about half of whom come from Mexico. Many estimate that 500,000 or more people enter the country illegally every year. California Lieutenant Governor Cruz Bustamante is Hispanic. So is the man who holds the powerful position of speaker of the California Assembly. Los Angeles, America's second-largest city, has a Hispanic mayor, and of the 54 members of California's congressional delegation, nine are Hispanic. The former governor of California once proposed granting driver's licenses to illegals. And in California, under some circumstances, an illegal alien can apply for the cheaper in-state college tuition. Many predict the Hispanic governor of New Mexico, Bill Richardson, former Clinton Cabinet member, will run for president.
Not very hard-working?
According to the International Labor Organization, Americans work more than almost anybody in the developed world, including Japan. The average American worked 1,824 hours in 2004, compared with the Spanish at 1,799 and the French at 1,441 hours. The Dutch put in even less -- working 25 percent fewer hours than Americans.
President Bush, against the wishes of many in his own party as well of half of all Americans, makes the reasonable case for a guest worker program that would allow or provide some sort of legal status for those living here illegally. Latino "activists" do that cause harm by staging protests and waving the Mexican flag and demanding their "rights." For example, Juan Jose Gutierrez of Latino Movement USA says, "We think that the right thing to do is to grant full rights, full equality, under the laws in the Constitution of the United States, to all immigrants, period."
Americans raise legitimate concerns about the competition illegals pose to unskilled labor, and that illegals cut in front of people already waiting in line to get in the country legally. Americans resent expenditures for illegals on education and health care, and problems posed by some who commit additional crime in America. Illegals' attitude of entitlement helps to explain the growing anger Americans feel toward illegal aliens. Students leaving high schools, waving Mexican flags and chanting "Si se puede" do President Bush -- and their "cause" -- no favor.
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/col.../06/192651.html |
I'd like to know what Mexico's motivation is for encouraging illegal immigration. I guess if there are any Mexico-USA issues it wouldn't hurt to have 12 million of your citizens in the USA to make the difference with a vote. |
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| metalgearsolid |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
I'd like to know what Mexico's motivation is for encouraging illegal immigration. I guess if there are any Mexico-USA issues it wouldn't hurt to have 12 million of your citizens in the USA to make the difference with a vote. |
Actually, I think it has more to do with re-conquering the southwest territory by diplomacy. |
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| daydreamer |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
I'd like to know what Mexico's motivation is for encouraging illegal immigration. I guess if there are any Mexico-USA issues it wouldn't hurt to have 12 million of your citizens in the USA to make the difference with a vote. |
HAAAA
as if the US has done any better with black society. :haha:
just take Larry Elder ...:rolleyes:
sexual explotation, slavery like practices...
the US is one of the leading imports of Women for sexual explotation,
massage parlors... HAPPY ENDING. you think they actually want to touch your ugly ass. not only that but every years countless of children are brought over from Central America, South America, among other regions and placed in brothels all across the US for sick deviants, most of who happen to be caucasian.
the trafficking of children is one of the most lucrative business, just behind guns and drugs.
hard working, oh, you must be talking about the
migrant workers, who usually work 12 hours work days, 7 days a week, with no vacations. |
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| Sunsnail |
| quote: | Originally posted by daydreamer
most of who happen to be caucasian. |
oh noes! kill the white people |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by daydreamer
HAAAA
as if the US has done any better with black society. :haha:
just take Larry Elder ...:rolleyes:
sexual explotation, slavery like practices...
the US is one of the leading imports of Women for sexual explotation,
massage parlors... HAPPY ENDING. you think they actually want to touch your ugly ass. not only that but every years countless of children are brought over from Central America, South America, among other regions and placed in brothels all across the US for sick deviants, most of who happen to be caucasian.
the trafficking of children is one of the most lucrative business, just behind guns and drugs.
hard working, oh, you must be talking about the
migrant workers, who usually work 12 hours work days, 7 days a week, with no vacations. |
No one is doubting their work ethic, however they're there illegally, not paying taxes and using a country's infrastructure that's not theirs and they don't pay for. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
No one is doubting their work ethic, however they're there illegally, not paying taxes and using a country's infrastructure that's not theirs and they don't pay for. |
are you really this en stupid? i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that someone else is using your account. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
are you really this en stupid? i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that someone else is using your account. |
So which part isn't true then?? :conf:
How about enlightening me instead of the being condescending? I know the former is probably harder for you but at least try... :rolleyes: |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
So which part isn't true then?? :conf:
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| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
not paying taxes.
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| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
using a country's infrastructure that . . . they don't pay for.
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illegal immigrants pay sales taxes, state and federal income tax, use taxes (tolls - bridges around here), vehicle use taxes (DMV fees), property taxes, fuel taxes, and so forth. |
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| WM2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
I'd like to know what Mexico's motivation is for encouraging illegal immigration. I guess if there are any Mexico-USA issues it wouldn't hurt to have 12 million of your citizens in the USA to make the difference with a vote. |
$16 billion dollars. The only thing that earns more money for Mexico than money from illegals working in the U.S. being sent home to their family is oil of which we also buy the most of anyone they sell to. We give them $18 billion a year for their oil and in return their people jump our border and help send a good part $16 billion to their families while our economy takes the hit. |
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| juzfugen |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
illegal immigrants pay sales taxes, state and federal income tax, use taxes (tolls - bridges around here), vehicle use taxes (DMV fees), property taxes, fuel taxes, and so forth. |
Most dont pay state and federal income tax because they get paid under the table, you need a SS# to pay taxes, hmm how does an illegal get a SS# you ask, well I'll tell you the steal it. <-- link read it.
This is one of the many reason the US government isnt acting on this problem, they are making a fortune off of it.
Property taxes?? Sure like they own homes, I work in the mortgage industry and sorry its just about impossible for an illegal to get a home loan here in the states.
So that leaves sales tax, vehicle tax?? whatever that is Texas doesnt have it and toll roads ( not too many of those around here either..) Ok so they pay sales tax yet receive free education for their children even though most public schools are over crowded with the children legal of property tax paying Americans, get free medical help which cost my county alone $330 million last year, or they skip the bill. Do you know who pays for that unpaid medical bill? You , me all of us, we pay for it in higher medial bills which turn raise insurance rates. |
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