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500,000 people protest immigration bill in Los Angeles (pg. 4)
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| metalgearsolid |
| No, they just have to wait twenty years and then they will be the majority. |
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| Spacey Orange |
are you suggesting that the Mexica movement represents entirely or even the most minimal fraction of the protestors? if this is so, this suggestion is as plausible as an allegation that the far-right nationalist racist elements on the fringes of republican party somehow represent the party as a whole or a fraction thereof, a difficult proposition to make.
learn more about them here: Mexica Movement |
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| Shamen DJ's |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
the far-right nationalist racist elements on the fringes of republican party somehow represent the party as a whole or a fraction thereof, a difficult proposition to make.
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That is not a difficult proposition to make. It's true. Most Republicans that are not Far Right are leaving the party, since they no longer represent small government & fiscal responsibility. The fact that only 18% & 34% of Americans support Cheney / Bush really does say something about America & the Republican party today. |
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| Fir3start3r |
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* "This is our continent, not yours!" exclaimed one banner.
* "We are indigenous! The only owners of this continent!" said another.
* "If you think I'm illegal because I'm a Mexican, learn the true history, because I'm in my homeland," read another sign.
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Evidently, the Mexican are forgetting their own history where they got their asses kicked all the way to Mexico before they sold their land to the States... :rolleyes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty...dalupe_Hildalgo |
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| Shamen DJ's |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSZ
The reason they are here is because corporate America - the ag companies, meat packing industry, etc. are willing to hire them for cheap labor purposes.
If nobody hired them here, they wouldn't come. It's that simple |
Thank you. Well said. The ag companies & meat packing industries are long favoured friends of the Republicans. Now after 5 years people are finally expecting the current administration to do something about illegal immigration. There seems to be a conflict of interest here. Personally what I see this year is alot of bashing on latinos, no real practical solution will come of it & we will have another 20% of all Americans ( the first 20% is African Americans - currently 3% support Bush ) who will be permanently alienated with the Republican party. If this issue is not dealt with in a very careful manner with real solutions that benefit everyone and not just rhetoric ( and I mean real bipartison talks in the house & senate to come up with a real plan ) then this issue may cause Republicans to loose elections for a very long time, especially in Florida, California, Texas & Virginia ( Nothern Virginias large latino population voted strongly democratic last fall ). |
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| Spirit5 |
| One thing I don't understand is why they have a country (Mexico) if they are just going to come here and live anyways. I know we have better standard of living and more oppurtunity but isn't there anyway we or someone can help the country of Mexico, to build up it's economy, provide jobs, do something so they can have a better standard of living there? I know their president doesn't really care about any of this, but I mean if they are going to keep coming here, sooner or latter Mexico will be pretty much Mexico City and not much else (it already almost is). I just think something should be done so they wont have an excuse to keep coming to America for a better life. I can completely see why they are coming here, but I don't know if I agree with shipping them all back, nor do I completely agree with the guest worker program (though if they can become citizens from it I might not have a problem). I'm a bit undecided on this issue, but still feel strongly Mexico needs a better economy, leadership and a standard of living. If we don't do something, then the Mexican people need to rise up and demand more, but I know the country is quite poor and will need some type of economic growth in order to prosper. |
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| Spacey Orange |
lol.. are you serious?
1) like i wrote earlier, those Mexica do NOT represent the attitudes or issues of the people that marched in LA lasty Saturday. the mexica are simply opportunist who once they saw a crowd gather, picked set up some boxes to scream.
2) of course, might makes right.:rolleyes: |
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| Shamen DJ's |
While I haven't heard any thing ( yet ) about this movement from my latino friends ( they are mostly professional class from Puerto Rico, Guatemala & South America ) who would have little in common with that movement, I am sure they would be embarrassed by such idiosy. The Mexica Movements reparation request is about as reasonable as the Black Panthers request that livestock be paid to them as reparation for slavery.
I would hope that the Mexica Movement spend their further efforts protesting corruption in Mexicos government, so that one day, once they rid themselves from corruption, Mexico will become a thriving society ( such as Chile already has ) where people would no longer have interest in coming to the U.S. because they can do very well in their own country, and not have to leave their family & friends to earn a living. |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamen DJ's
I would hope that the Mexica Movement spend their further efforts protesting corruption in Mexicos government, so that one day, once they rid themselves from corruption, Mexico will become a thriving society ( such as Chile already has ) where people would no longer have interest in coming to the U.S. because they can do very well in their own country, and not have to leave their family & friends to earn a living. |
Couldn't agree with you more. That's exactly how I feel.... |
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| Shamen DJ's |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
One thing I don't understand is why they have a country (Mexico) if they are just going to come here and live anyways. I know we have better standard of living and more oppurtunity but isn't there anyway we or someone can help the country of Mexico, to build up it's economy, provide jobs, do something so they can have a better standard of living there? |
George Bush doesn't care about the country of Mexico. They dont have oil. Plus if he helped Mexico build it's economy, then there wouldn't be such a huge supply of chiep labour for his political supporters: the ag businesses & meat packers.
He doesn't even care about coastal Mississippi. In most cases they haven't even started rebuilding, and many families spent the entire winter living in tends pitched next to their demolished homes.
If Mexico wants to rebuild Mexico then they will have to do it themselves, because the Bush administration will never help them.
One thing they should do is pass a federal law such as Chile's making high school graduation mandatory ( or else jail ), that will pay off huge in the future in attracting high tech investment & in bringing high paying jobs. |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamen DJ's
George Bush doesn't care about the country of Mexico. They dont have oil. Plus if he helped Mexico build it's economy, then there wouldn't be such a huge supply of chiep labour for his political supporters: the ag businesses & meat packers.
He doesn't even care about coastal Mississippi. In most cases they haven't even started rebuilding, and many families spent the entire winter living in tends pitched next to their demolished homes.
If Mexico wants to rebuild Mexico then they will have to do it themselves, because the Bush administration will never help them.
One thing they should do is pass a federal law such as Chile's making high school graduation mandatory ( or else jail ), that will pay off huge in the future in attracting high tech investment & in bringing high paying jobs. |
Exactly, but I feel the only real way this is going to stop is if Mexico becomes a thriving country and not impoverished, that there's jobs there. I know Bush wont do it, he wont even help his own country. But whoever does get in after Bush should do something, because this isn't going to stop anytime soon, and the guest worker program might even encourage more Mexicans to come to the U.S., which is fine because they will have a better life, but at the same time their own country will continue to be in ruins without any support. This is also largely that their own gov't doesn't care either, full of corruption. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamen DJ's
George Bush doesn't care about the country of Mexico. They dont have oil. Plus if he helped Mexico build it's economy, then there wouldn't be such a huge supply of chiep labour for his political supporters: the ag businesses & meat packers.
He doesn't even care about coastal Mississippi. In most cases they haven't even started rebuilding, and many families spent the entire winter living in tends pitched next to their demolished homes.
If Mexico wants to rebuild Mexico then they will have to do it themselves, because the Bush administration will never help them.
One thing they should do is pass a federal law such as Chile's making high school graduation mandatory ( or else jail ), that will pay off huge in the future in attracting high tech investment & in bringing high paying jobs. |
i generally agree with your positions, but i want to clarify that Mexico indeed does have oil.:)
unfortunately, graft siphons a significant amount of it's oil wealth causing some economic problems that, in turn, motivate many mexicans to migrate to the US.
code:
Top World Oil Producers, 2004*
(OPEC members in italics)
Country
Total Oil Production**
(million barrels per day)
1) Saudi Arabia 10.37
2) Russia 9.27
3) United States 8.69
4) Iran 4.09
5) Mexico 3.83
6) China 3.62
7) Norway 3.18
8) Canada 3.14
9) Venezuela 2.86
10) United Arab Emirates 2.76
11) Kuwait 2.51
12) Nigeria 2.51
13) United Kingdom 2.08
13) Iraq 2.03
*Table includes all countries total oil production
exceeding 2 million barrels per day in 2004.
**Total Oil Production includes crude oil, natural
gas liquids, condensate, refinery gain, and other liquids.
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