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500,000 people protest immigration bill in Los Angeles (pg. 5)
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| NebulousQ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Illegal immigrants work into the Republican mold twice. First as cheap labor, which creates larger profits for big business. Second, as voters, because Republicans can gain a lot from the Catholic/Christian vote that these people posess.
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Lol. I can't believe I didn't catch this the first time I read this thread through.
Lolololololol. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
lol.. are you serious?
1) like i wrote earlier, those Mexica do NOT represent the attitudes or issues of the people that marched in LA lasty Saturday. the mexica are simply opportunist who once they saw a crowd gather, picked set up some boxes to scream.
2) of course, might makes right.:rolleyes: |
Exactly.
Apparently their own history knowledge is in direct proportion to their pay... :clown: |
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| metalgearsolid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Exactly.
Apparently their own history knowledge is in direct proportion to their pay... :clown: |
hey you. That wasn't funny man. I am hispanic and I know I make more $ than you. |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Exactly.
Apparently their own history knowledge is in direct proportion to their pay... :clown: |
Maybe your not taking into account the genocide argument, the colonization of the Americas could be classified as genocide, and although there has been some action to mend this in some places, like the US and Canada with their natives, the Mexica movement is trying to illustrate a good poing. I dont agree with them but the line of arguments you are pursuing to prove you dont agree with them is a bit flakey and biased because basically youre saying "its right because they lost", but then the jews also lost to the germans, and i dont see anyone touching that topic with an argument like that even with a 20m stick |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by metalgearsolid
hey you. That wasn't funny man. I am hispanic and I know I make more $ than you. |
clown face --> :clown: read it
...as I was saying.... ;) |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
Maybe your not taking into account the genocide argument, the colonization of the Americas could be classified as genocide,
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The genocide argument?? :conf:
Should they just have breed them out like the Spainish?
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Unlike the English-speaking colonists of North America, the majority of the Spanish colonists were men with no wives available and married or made concubines of the natives, and were even encouraged to do so by Queen Isabella during the earliest days of colonization. As a result of these unions, as well as concubinage and secret mistresses, a vast class of people known as "Mestizos" and mulattos came into being...
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and although there has been some action to mend this in some places, like the US and Canada with their natives, the Mexica movement is trying to illustrate a good poing. I dont agree with them but the line of arguments you are pursuing to prove you dont agree with them is a bit flakey and biased because basically youre saying "its right because they lost",
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Flakey?? Unlike the arguement of the Mestizos trying to rewrite history?
Lets take this argument; I sell my car to you and 5 years later, I find your car that I sold to you and decide to sit in it.
You find me sitting in your car and tell me to get the hell out.
I say, 'No, the car was originally mine and I want it back'.
Does this sound like a logical arguement to anyone??
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but then the jews also lost to the germans, and i dont see anyone touching that topic with an argument like that even with a 20m stick
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Not sure where you were going with this anyways? :conf:
The Jews got Isreal... |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
The genocide argument?? :conf:
Should they just have breed them out like the Spainish?
>Source<
Flakey?? Unlike the arguement of the Mestizos trying to rewrite history?
Lets take this argument; I sell my car to you and 5 years later, I find your car that I sold to you and decide to sit in it.
You find me sitting in your car and tell me to get the hell out.
I say, 'No, the car was originally mine and I want it back'.
Does this sound like a logical arguement to anyone??
Not sure where you were going with this anyways? :conf:
The Jews got Isreal... |
I really want to argue this further but in the end i concede that the people that are protesting are so mixed that theyre not the true people of those lands anyways, so ill just leave it at that :p |
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| Shamen DJ's |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
Why would Americans work for low wages when they can make more going on welfare. Reform welfare and watch how those jobs are taken by Americans.
There should be some serious rules when one goes on welfare. That would end most of the low wage nonsense. |
That goes for the U.S. and Canada too. I have a friend who runs an agricultural business in Leamington, Ontario & despite the high local rate of unemployment, and a high rate of people that "work for the government - collect welfare" he has to bring in employees from Mexico on a guest worker program because:
1) Lack of local people applying
2) The local work ethic is horrible
In fact, the population of Mexicans ( and a few people from other central American countries )there has skyrocketed in the past several years, as many employers have been bringing them over to work. Considering that, I think the only people there that should collect welfare are disabled people. I think the money that is spent on welfare would be better spent on a government run daycare for low income workers, and the monthly welfare rate should be less than the pay from a minimum wage job ( housing cost is very chiep there & minimum wage is over $7 ). |
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| Lepanto |
| No one is arguing that bringing in people is bad...BUT NOT ILLEGALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE STEALING! Let them arange working visas like other people and work and pay the texas and benifit in MORE money and MORE revenue for the State as well. All this bull is going to get them is harder Immigration laws, so whooptidoo for them :haha: |
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| Skylight |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
All this bull is going to get them is harder Immigration laws, so whooptidoo for them :haha: |
especially when a protestor burned an American flag, and others posted the Flag in distress underneath the Mexican Flag. If They want to have the government make laws in their favor they cant scare the crap out of the masses. |
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| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skylight
especially when a protestor burned an American flag, and others posted the Flag in distress underneath the Mexican Flag. If They want to have the government make laws in their favor they cant scare the crap out of the masses. |
i totally agree. these people are insane. how the are they justifying doing this? they are breaking laws left and right and we're supposed to bend over backwards and let them call us sally? |
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| Erotic Buddha |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49482
Marchers say gringos, not illegals, have to go
Activists turn tables, offer no amnesty for 'non-indigenous' on 'our continent'
Posted: March 29, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
Mexica Movement activists protest in L.A.
WASHINGTON – While debates about guest-worker programs for illegal aliens take place in the corridors of power, in the streets of America's big cities no amnesty is being offered by activists calling for the expulsion of most U.S. citizens from their own country.
While politicians debate the fate of some 12 million people residing in the U.S. illegally, the Mexica Movement, one of the organizers of the mass protest in Los Angeles this week, has already decided it is the "non-indigenous," white, English-speaking U.S. citizens of European descent who have to leave what they call "our continent."
The pictures and captions tell the story.
* "This is our continent, not yours!" exclaimed one banner.
* "We are indigenous! The only owners of this continent!" said another.
* "If you think I'm illegal because I'm a Mexican, learn the true history, because I'm in my homeland," read another sign.
"One of the more negative parts of the march was when American flags were passed out to make sure the marchers were looked on as part of 'America,'" said the group's commentary on the L.A. rally.
Both Rep. James Sensebrenner, R-Wis., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and a proponent of tougher border security, and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger were caricatured as Nazis by the group on its posters and banners.
The group insists the indigenous people of the continent were the victims of genocide – a campaign of extermination that killed, according to one citation, 95 percent of their population, or 33 million people. Another citation on the same website claims the toll was 70 million to 100 million.
The only solution, says the Mexica Movement, is to expel the invaders of the last 500 years, force them to pay reparations and return the continent to its rightful heirs.
The platform of the group illustrates the diverse – and sometimes extreme – agendas of those participating in the mass mobilizations that have been seen largely as protests against efforts to curb illegal immigration.
Some of those involved, including the Mexica Movement, have much bigger goals than stopping a piece of legislation before Congress.
The Mexica Movement has big issues with many other equally radical groups participating in the massive, united-front rallies. The group makes a point of distinguishing its goals and objectives from others, such as the separatist Aztlan Movement.
Aztlan, the mythical birthplace of the Aztecs, is regarded in Chicano folklore as an area that includes California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and parts of Colorado and Texas. The movement seeks to create a sovereign, Spanish-speaking state, "Republica del Norte," or the Republic of the North, that would combine the American Southwest with the northern Mexican states and eventually merge with Mexico.
A group called "La Voz de Aztlan," the Voice of Aztlan, identifies Mexicans in the U.S. as "America's Palestinians." Many Mexicans see themselves as part of a transnational ethnic group known as "La Raza," the race. A May editorial on the website, with a dateline of Los Angeles, Alta California, declares that "both La Raza and the Palestinians have been displaced by invaders that have utilized military means to conquer and occupy our territories."
Others in the coalition hope to see a "reconquest" of the American southwest by Mexico. This would not likely take place through military action, they say, but rather through a slow process of migration – both legal and illegal.
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deport all those communists back to mexico |
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