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israel & lebanon (pg. 10)
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| Stassi |
| quote: | Originally posted by djy2g33
On the "blowing themselves up is the only thing they can do"
Somehow throughout the history of time, people have not dealt with things (before they had nuclear weapons) by blowing themselves up (You had kamikaze bombers in the in Japan, but thats a really different situation).... this is pretty much unique to certain regions / religions (I don't even have to say which one)... so what else are they to do? How about civil disobedience? How about diplomatic means? How about developing what you do have so that you can show something for it instead of "blowing yourself up being the only thing they have left to do" as you put it... Blowing yourself up as you put it, is as cowardly a thing as could be and shows a basic disregard/lack of contempt for life... which makes one's case SO plausible for having a place to situate life... and if we're to switch to the reason for this post, um why are we even in this post? Oh yeah, because you go and kidnap other people's soldiers, and its expected that nothing will happen? I've never heard of, throughout any other persecution of any people, anyone doing it in this way... I mean they basically stand out as extreme, neanderthal like, and they make their own case very unplausible, even for Arab nations as I'm sure you've started to notice...
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Bruce Willis Blew himself up at the end of armageddon to save his people. Wasn't that Heroic? |
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| Vlad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aspy
Since Iraq War alot of Turkish troops were killed by PKK(Terorists) In this case we could have entered the North Iraq to stop them but Thanks America always has prevented this forcement
Now two Israil soldiers are killed or kidnapped and this is a reason for Israil attack.
Excuse me
Are You Kidding? |
Where in my post was I referencing America's tactics in the war? As far as Im concerned the US approach to this war is a complete joke. If youre not gonna commit to war, than dont bother, but instead they decided to foot around Iraq and get troops killed.
As far as not letting the Turks in there, well I think thats all American pride, they want Iraq all to themselves - in idiots that they are. Remember what happened to Germany after WWII? Well I dont think the US wants that happening with Iraq because of all the oil. |
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| Blake |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stassi
Bruce Willis Blew himself up at the end of armageddon to save his people. Wasn't that Heroic? |
No, it was terrorism! :whip:
Actually I've never seen the movie :p .
Even having been born and raised Muslim myself there's still a lot I don't understand about the extremists and various subdivisions of Muslims. A lot of the time I find myself asking Muslims from the Middle East questions about certain practices with regards to extremists and terrorists most of their responses are along the lines of, "What terrorists etc are doing does not fall in line with true Muslim beliefs but has more to do with themselves as individuals."
Speaking of which, Israel's been doing its fair share of bombing and from what I understand, Judaism is supposed to be about the sanctity and preservation of life. I'm sure that 'war mongering Israeli' is not synonymous to 'Jewish person' in the same way that 'terrorist' is not synonymous to 'Muslim preson' but I'd definately be interested in some of the different views of Jews in and outside of Israel. |
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| verndogs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stassi
Bruce Willis Blew himself up at the end of armageddon to save his people. Wasn't that Heroic? |
no, it was cheesy :clown: |
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| Vlad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake
Speaking of which, Israel's been doing its fair share of bombing and from what I understand, Judaism is supposed to be about the sanctity and preservation of life. |
Would you consider self-defense from foreign enemies who want to exterminate your race as preservation of life? |
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| peace n trance |
| well at least condeleezza rice is going over there now. this will undoubtidly take care of everything! :stongue: :crazy: |
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| chi6me8ra |
| quote: | Originally posted by peace n trance
well at least condeleezza rice is going over there now. this will undoubtidly take care of everything! :stongue: :crazy: |
fantastic idea, there is nothing like a warmongering psycho like condi to fix everything :conf: |
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| Blake |
| quote: | Originally posted by chi6me8ra
fantastic idea, there is nothing like a warmongering psycho like condi to fix everything :conf: |
Hey, hey! She's not warmongering... she's just misunderstood :( :stongue:
| quote: | Originally posted by Vlad
Would you consider self-defense from foreign enemies who want to exterminate your race as preservation of life? |
I'd hardly call dropping bombs on a country over a handfull of POW's preservation of life.
The topic though, reminds me of a documentary filmed in the past year or two, of an Israeli woman about our age, who could no longer attend college because it had closed down due to the war, violence, bombings et cetera.
Every few weeks her and a bunch of other Israeli college/grad school aged men and women organized a get together/dinner at her house in which young Palestinian men and women attended, as well as whomever else wanted to. They all chilled together despite the conflict going on around them and despite the fact that they were from opposing sides. They came together, regardless, on the common grounds that they all wanted the war to be over so they could go back to school and get on with their lives.
^^^ what a cwaaazy notion :crazy: |
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| chi6me8ra |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake
Hey, hey! She's not warmongering... she's just misunderstood :( :stongue: |
i used to kind of like her, but now i don't trust her and i get the distinct feeling she's a warmongerer.
plus it's my personal opinion and an opinion which many might agree with...that's it |
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| Blake |
| quote: | Originally posted by chi6me8ra
i used to kind of like her, but now i don't trust her and i get the distinct feeling she's a warmongerer.
plus it's my personal opinion and an opinion which many might agree with...that's it |
LOL! Maybe I should have used the sarcasm smiley. How's this?
Rice for president 2008! :rolleyes: |
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| peace n trance |
i was just in israel not even a month ago, and something really has to be said for their spirit and outlook on life... EVERYWHERE you go, i'm talking every mall and restaurant, there are security guards at the door waiting to search your things and rub a metal detector over you, and it simply is because that is the way things HAVE to be...
this is just one instance of the intense amounts of security and compromises the israelis have to accept in order to have a chance of living through the end of the day. the positive spirit in which i speak is simply the fact that this all is accepted as a part of the norm, and doesn't stop anyone from doing anything really... before i got to tel aviv i half exptected the mood to be quite tense and worrysome, but upon arriving i saw this was nowhere near the case. tel aviv is probablly the chillest major city i have ever been in, with some of the most interesting looking people. the same goes for jerusalem... where you hear even more about buses blowing up left and right. the israelis just want to live their lives like anyone else, and they have been getting walked all over for far too long. its not such a bad thing they flex their muscle a bit, and i pray as many of the Lebanese as possible find appropriate shelter. |
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| Aspy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vlad
Where in my post was I referencing America's tactics in the war? As far as Im concerned the US approach to this war is a complete joke. If youre not gonna commit to war, than dont bother, but instead they decided to foot around Iraq and get troops killed.
The big guy in this war is America thats what i am saying.
As far as not letting the Turks in there, well I think thats all American pride, they want Iraq all to themselves - in idiots that they are. Remember what happened to Germany after WWII? Well I dont think the US wants that happening with Iraq because of all the oil. |
Looking for oil?
First Turks want to destroy all Kurdish terorists which come from North Iraq.
Second America deals with Kurdish terorists who help them in Iraq.
As a result America doesnt want to see any Turk soldires in North Iraq.
Turkey doesn't need oil. they have the most important oil sources that you can't imagine.
If i were you i wouldnt make any comments in this issue.
First read news then TALK. |
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