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| Stassi |
| Turkey should be the last country to bitch about getting attacked. A little country called greece has been putting up with Turkey's arrogant military for years, and the turks use american weapons. Now if American and Turkeys alliance is severed, guess which country is getting stepped on first? |
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| diggerz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sevencyrus
Wow, your a ing idiot and an .
And let’s clear up some stuff here. First and foremost, it’s not truly about religion. Religion was created to control the lower class, this has been true throughout our history, which is why you see that quote from Karl Marx, etc. Now the Israel problem is a pretty complicated one now, but the basics are pretty simple to understand. Zionist Jews, which are basically the high and elite class of jews, with the help of USA, forced the Palestinians out of their land. Thus the seed for all these problems were planted. If you do some research you will find Jewish groups against Israel and who oppose them, this is bc they oppose the oppressive Zionist. Now groups like Hezbollah are simply rebel groups and are extremely reactionary. They lack intelligent leadership, but they will always exist as long as Israel exists.
Now religion is simply a tool being used to push the cause. When you tell a kid that this life is nothing compared to the next life, and if you are afraid of dieing then that means you are selfish and do no understand that the next life is better then this life, so why not kill yourself.
Then you add that to the everyday struggle of the Palestinians, parents dieing, sister, brother, being policed around by Israeli police, being told what to do, etc. So with the mentality that the next life is paradise and is better then this life mixed with the deeply rooted hatred created from oppression and violence, you get what you see today.
So with everything you have to look at it in a Marxist viewpoint. You have to dissect the classes, understand that the rulers trick the people, use tools to do it effectively, like religion, racism, sexism, etc. Where do you think those missiles come from that hit the Lebanese people? Where do you think that helicopter and that fighter jet plane come from that are used to bomb kids? Who is profiting off of this? Who is making the money? The real enemy is the bourgeoisie of the world, the rulers, and the elite.
It is a complicated subject, but the only way peace will ever come about is once the US backed Israel gov’t ceases to exist, once they surrender their land to their rightful owners, etc. But that will never happen, as long as the US gov’t and Bourgeoisie are in power. |
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| Scolomon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aspy
thats what you SHOULD do dued. Thats normal but we have lost a lot of ppl including civilians.
READ CAREFULLY..
The Next Front
Pressure is building on Ankara to deal more harshly with cross-
border terrorist attacks from Iraq.
July 31, 2006 issue - Israel launched airstrikes on Lebanon in
response to attacks by Hizbullah earlier this month, and George W.
Bush called it "self-defense." But what to tell the Turks, who over
the last week lost 15 sol-diers to terror attacks launched by sepa-
ratist Kurds from neighboring Iraq? Many Turkish leaders are
pressing for cross-border tactical air assaults on the guerrillas.
But Bush, fearing yet another escalation of the Middle East's
violence, urged Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan to hold
off. "The message was, unilateral action isn't going to be helpful,"
says a senior U.S. official, describing the 15-minute phone
conversation. "The president asked for patience."
And so Turkish forces are holding fast—for now—in deference to their
half-century alliance with the United States. But that patience is
bound to be challenged, probably sooner than later. Domestic
political pressures are building to take a leaf from Israel's book
and hit back at the guerrillas of the Kurdistan Work-ers' Party, or
PKK. Since the beginning of the year, attacks on Turkish military
garrisons and police stations have esca-lated across the country's
southeast, along with random shootings, bombings and protests—many
of them, authorities suspect, organized in Iraq. Already the Turkish
military has laid detailed plans for possible helicopter-and-
commando assaults, government sources tell NEWSWEEK. Meanwhile,
Ankara's frustration with Washington has grown palpable. For all the
Bush administration's repeated promises to crack down on the PKK,
little if anything has happened. With elections coming next year,
Erdogan could be pardoned for soon concluding that his forbearance
might prove politically dangerous. "Moderate, liberal people in
Turkey are becoming increasingly anti-American," warns Turkey's
Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul. "That isn't good."
Erdogan has built a career on skillfully riding populist waves, and
he's not going to miss this one. On the one hand, he recognizes the
importance of maintaining good relations with America, if only to
foil critics who lambaste him for being too Islamist. On the other,
popular anger at the PKK is getting explosive. At the funeral of a
murdered soldier in Izmir last week, crowds destroyed wreaths sent
by Erdogan's Interior Minister Abdulkadir Aksu and the city's
governor, Oguz Kaan Koksal. Some mourners chanted slogans accusing
the government of cooperating with the PKK. And when a group of 60
human-rights activists were arrested in the resort of Kiyikoy on
suspicion of being PKK sympathizers last week, locals attacked the
detainees with stones and iron bars.
The Turkish press has been baying for action, with even the solidly
pro-American Turkish Daily News railing in an editorial that "Turkey
is no banana republic that can leave its security to the mercy of
others." Another editorial posed the question more directly. "Why is
it that Israel has the right to 'self-defense'," the paper
asked, "and not Turkey." The country's usually fractious
parliamentary opposition, in a rare moment of unity, called for
active intervention. "Opposition," says True Path Party leader
Mehmet Agar, "ends at Habur"—Turkey's border crossing with Ira
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13990129/site/newsweek/
READ CAREFULLY.. |
Hmmm, that's a lot of typos. Where are you getting your news from the Romper Room wire service? |
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| colibri |
we, this people, on a small and lonely planet
traveling through casual space
past aloof stars, across the way of indifferent suns
to a destination where all signs tell us
it is possible and imperative that we learn
a brave and startling truth
and when we come to it
to the day of peacemaking
when we release our fingers
from fists of hostility
and allow the pure air to cool our palms
when we come to it
when the curtain falls on the minstrel show of hate
and faces sooted with scorn are scrubbed clean
when battlefields and coliseum
no longer rake our unique and particular sons and daughters
up with the bruised and bloody grass
to lie in identical plots in foreign soil
when the rapacious storming of the churches
the screaming racket in the temples have ceased
when the pennants are waving gaily
when the banners of the world tremble
stoutly in the good, clean breeze
when we come to it
when we let the rifles fall from our shoulders
and children dress their dolls in flags of truce
when land mines of death have been removed
and the aged can walk into evenings of peace
when religious ritual is not perfumed
by the incense of burning flesh
and childhood dreams are not kicked awake
by nightmares of abuse
when we come to it
then we will confess that not the pyramids
with their stones set in mysterious perfection
nor the gardens of babylon
hanging as eternal beauty
in our collective memory
not the grand canyon
kindled into delicious color
by western sunsets
nor the danube, flowing its blue soul into europe
not the sacred peak of mount fuji
stretching to the rising sun
neither father amazon nor mother mississippi who, without favor,
nurture all creatures in the depths and on the shores
these are not the only wonders of the world
when we come to it
we, this people, on this minuscule and kithless globe
who reach daily for the bomb, the blade and the dagger
yet who petition in the dark for tokens of peace
we, this people on this mote of matter
in whose mouths abide cankerous words
which challenge our very existence
yet out of those same mouths
come songs of such exquisite sweetness
that the heart falters in its labor
and the body is quieted into awe
we, this people, on this small and drifting planet
whose hands can strike with such abandon
that in a twinkling, life is sapped from the living
yet those same hands can touch with such healing,
irresistible tenderness that the haughty neck is happy to bow
and the proud back is glad to bend
out of such chaos, of such contradiction
we learn that we are neither devils nor divines
when we come to it
we, this people, on this wayward, floating body
created on this earth, of this earth
have the power to fashion for this earth
a climate where every man and every woman
can live freely without sanctimonious piety
without crippling fear
when we come to it
we must confess that we are the possible
we are the miraculous, the true wonder of this world
that is when, and only when
we come to it
by,
maya angelou
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| Konijn |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stassi
Turkey should be the last country to bitch about getting attacked. A little country called greece has been putting up with Turkey's arrogant military for years, and the turks use american weapons. Now if American and Turkeys alliance is severed, guess which country is getting stepped on first? |
the irony is that all these years it's the poor kurds who have been getting the shaft from two sides, iraq and turkey. this also shows the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of u.s. foreign policy. we refer to saddam's gassing of kurdish separatists in '82 as him "slaughtering" his own innocent people: when turkey jails and kills the very same people we frame it in terms of the turkish gov't defending itself against terrorist radicals...
either way, both turkey and greece have bigger fish to fry than the useless piles of rocks in the aegean they're usually sabre-rattling over; turkey with the ppk and with the instability in its southern borders and greece with the illegal albanian immigrants that are over-running the place and with the rapid selling off of the country to german and japanese investors.
if problems do occur they're likely to do so over the patriarchate and the archdiocese of constantinople whose numbers have forcibly dwindled to the point where they can no longer sustain themselves.
tukey outnumbers greece 7-1 and the u.s. will never seriously hook up greece militarily so we know how any beefs on that end will finish...
sorry for the tangent. |
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| Miss Bliss |
Very disturbing development http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5217176.stm
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Israel troops 'ignored' UN plea
UN peacekeepers in south Lebanon contacted Israeli troops 10 times before an Israeli bomb killed four of them, an initial UN report says.
The post was hit by a precision-guided missile after six hours of shelling nearby, diplomats familiar with the initial probe into the deaths say.
The news came as crisis talks in Rome failed to call for an immediate ceasefire between Hezbollah and Israel.
Reports say up to 13 Israeli soldiers died in the latest fighting.
The four unarmed UN observers from Austria, Canada, China and Finland, died after their UN post was hit by an Israeli air strike on Tuesday.
The UN report says each time the UN contacted Israeli forces, they were assured the firing would stop.
Israel is conducting an investigation into the deaths, and has rejected accusations made by UN Secretary General Kofi Annan that the targeting of the UN position was "apparently deliberate".
In southern Lebanon, fierce clashes have continued between Israeli forces and Hezbollah fighters around the town of Bint Jbail.
Israel has not confirmed any deaths from among its soldiers, but says there have been 20 casualties
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Will this be enough to build pressure on the US to stop vetoing balanced resolutions critical of Israel? Maybe veto power should be denied in the Security Council on this issue (that's coming from me, the last person I'd to call for "in times of crisis..." measures)
Olmert's predecessors tried war and it didn't get anyone anywhere... but neither does diplomacy. Will there ever be peace? I don't know about you, but my mouth dropped open when I saw this headline in the paper this morning...
Of course, keeping "observers" in a war zone, it was a matter of time before someone got killed... now they'll send a "peacekeeping" force to the area - fat lot of good that'll do - 300 poor suckers in blue helmets, powerless against insurgents that target from rooftops and hide everywhere. Eye-to-eye battlefield fighting of the 1800's doesn't exist anymore, people!
And I'm glad to see a lot of British disagreeing with Britain's support of the US on this! All should think for themselves - it's the only path to progress in diplomacy! The ancient stubborn donkey alliance mentality is a relic of old that has got to go.. do what's right, think for yourself. |
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| Aspy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
the irony is that all these years it's the poor kurds who have been getting the shaft from two sides, iraq and turkey. this also shows the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of u.s. foreign policy. we refer to saddam's gassing of kurdish separatists in '82 as him "slaughtering" his own innocent people: when turkey jails and kills the very same people we frame it in terms of the turkish gov't defending itself against terrorist radicals...
either way, both turkey and greece have bigger fish to fry than the useless piles of rocks in the aegean they're usually sabre-rattling over; turkey with the ppk and with the instability in its southern borders and greece with the illegal albanian immigrants that are over-running the place and with the rapid selling off of the country to german and japanese investors.
if problems do occur they're likely to do so over the patriarchate and the archdiocese of constantinople whose numbers have forcibly dwindled to the point where they can no longer sustain themselves.
tukey outnumbers greece 7-1 and the u.s. will never seriously hook up greece militarily so we know how any beefs on that end will finish...
sorry for the tangent. |
we don't have any problem with greek albanian and many more countries.
While otoman exited these cultures have survived in peace. Ottoman goverment did not make any observations about religion or language and now Turkish goverment is same. But now kurdish ppl want to have their own country which is IMPOSSIBLE.
i.e What would American governet say if japaneese ppl would like to own their country in America. What would American goverment say if they want new york or california or TX for theirselves?
This sould expalin what i am trying to say.
Turkish Republic is a soild
Can not be separated |
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| colibri |
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| djy2g33 |
| quote: | Originally posted by colibri
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I'd much rather take the Israeli one ;) |
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| Miss Bliss |
The luncheon that I organized with another intern at my NGO with the Syrian and Palestinian Ambassadors to the UN was a success today... They were very respectable men, professional, brilliant.
My thought after this is that, again, I urge those who have taken EITHER side strongly to reconsider moving towards the middle; that is the only path to resolution at this point. |
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| Stassi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
either way, both turkey and greece have bigger fish to fry than the useless piles of rocks in the aegean they're usually sabre-rattling over; turkey with the ppk and with the instability in its southern borders and greece with the illegal albanian immigrants that are over-running the place and with the rapid selling off of the country to german and japanese investors. |
Greece has to stop blaming their problems on ablanians though. Greeks don't work at all, and the ones who do work take 4 hour 'siesta' breaks and go over to the cafes and waste away. They sell properties their grandparents broke their backs to own to avoid working and continue partying. In 10 years Greeks will own but 5% of their own country and most will be out of work. The Albanians in Greece are the only ones who actually use the banks to deposit money.
I too am sorry for the tangent.
As far as the spin on "Terrorist attacks", well.. all i can say is the media is a mofo. |
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| amdmaxx |
Take weapons away from terrorists - and you have PEACE..
Take weapons away from Israel - and you have a country with all people DEAD.. |
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