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| Konijn |
| quote: | Originally posted by Taub
It wasn't such a great idea to make a jewish state surrounded by all muslim states. Those countires who made that decision after WWII didn't think very well.
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the decision was made way before wwII (see: the bible and its corollary, the balfour declaration). |
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| Miss Bliss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
the balfour declaration |
Arthur Koestler on Great Britain's Balfour Declaration: "one nation solemnly promised to a second nation the country of a third." |
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| Blake |
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
the decision was made way before wwII (see: the bible and its corollary, the balfour declaration). |
As far as I knew, Palestinians inhabited the area for the longest, while Jews were more of a nomadic, migrant, tribal people for years and years, no?
Wasn't it only because of US Aid that Israel even officially became Israel? |
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| djquick83 |
Israeli children sends gifts to Lebanese children:
Israeli girls write messages on a shell at a heavy artillery position near Kiryat Shmona, in northern Israel, next to the Lebanese border, Monday, July 17, 2006. (AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner)
Lebanese children receive them:
Someone just emailed this to me. Pretty ed up. The pictures speak for themselves. :( :sadgreen: |
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| Konijn |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake
As far as I knew, Palestinians inhabited the area for the longest, while Jews were more of a nomadic, migrant, tribal people for years and years, no? |
like most nationalistic projects, the idea of a "palestinian" as a discrete citizen of contiguous nation didn't exist prior to the 19th century. that being said, the forebears of the palestinians today did loosely occupy the general area -- an area which incidentally ranges from syria to saudi arabia. if claims are made, then these people seem to have a greater sway over land titles than jews who mostly fled europe and arrived post-1948.
if you want to read a book that will blow apart everything you've ever thought about nationalism or historical land claims, read Benedict Anderson's "Imagined Communities" [Verso].
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| quote: | | Wasn't it only because of US Aid that Israel even officially became Israel? |
the u.s. was one of many key players involved in the creation of israel, countries which coordinated a near-unanimous and immediate recognition of the fledgling state. as i mentioned above, the balfour declaration of 1917 essentially promised england's full support for the zionist project in palestine. agreements and movements, both secret and non-, dating back to wwI, laid the groundwork for what the middle east would look like in the years to come [see: the sykes-picot agreement, the creation of trans-jordan, etc.]. |
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| chi6me8ra |
I once heard that the Allies were kicking around the idea of placing Israel in Eastern Siberia, crazy idea right?
Anyhow,
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake
As far as I knew, Palestinians inhabited the area for the longest, while Jews were more of a nomadic, migrant, tribal people for years and years, no? |
To my understanding Palestinians were more nomadic |
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| Vlad |
There is one solution...
Ethnic cleansing. |
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| HardTranceProd |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vlad
There is one solution...
Ethnic cleansing. |
Especially since you yourself are a member of nation which has experienced this. |
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| Vlad |
| quote: | Originally posted by HardTranceProd
Especially since you yourself are a member of nation which has experienced this. |
Done because he just didnt like them.
On the other hand I think it would do some good to eradicate the problem. If you cant find the root, take out the tree(s). |
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| diggerz |
| Is there anyway out of this problem? A real solution I mean, will diplomacy be enough? |
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| diggerz |
| More evidence of Turmoil |
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