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Who Killed Trance? (pg. 11)
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| Rick Mage |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rick Mage
How can one or two people kill trance?? I'm sorry but I just don't think anyone is that significant....Especially Paul in Oakenfold or Tiesto. I've never really liked Tiesto. However, there are two tracks that I have bought for him though. One was in 1998 and one about a year ago (LETHAL INDUSTRY/ FLIGHT 643). I heard him spin one time but it was all boring trance when he played.....I absolutely hate Paul in Oakfold the king of trainwrecks of boring trance.....There aint nothing that he makes or spins that don't put me to sleep....
But hey! That's just my opinion. I don't judge DJs on that silly DJ list or that DJ mag silly list. I judge on rather they make me want to dance, with the music they throw down, or if their music don't. I think music is the DJs most important quality! They have to spin flawless too. I have no ideal how Paul Okenfold is even in the top 20 on the DJ list!! He has a reputaion for trainwrecks here in the states! Yeah, they both might have sold a lot of releases somehow...but so does every other big time DJ that is not ranked so high.
Anyway....I, myself, am a lover of hard trance and club trance. I haven't heard any good hard trance or club trance from ether....except one old and one more recent from Tiesto. Those two tracks, in my eyes, aren't enough to vaught him up to number 1 though....So, maybe I'm being biased. I like Kai Tracid, Talla 2xlc, Dave 202, DJ Snowman, DJ Abyss, Miss Shiva, and tons of local trance DJs in Frankfurk and Koblenz! I think they would put Paul in Okenfold to school! Tiesto??? I don't know...I've only heard him once...He was flawless when I heard him. Just though his music was boring. But people like him and his music....so... |
| quote: | Originally posted by the gamemaster
two entire people are not the sole cause of something dying but the fact is that the biggest names in trance started it, they are usually the ones who come up with all the innovation and ideas in genre's and they are whether we like it or not (or were) the "role models" for alot of trance producers and definitely dictated alot about the style of their specific types of trance. avb was meant to be the next big thing but when he turned so much trance almost into pop and that was that became the most popular type of trance it was never going to do the genre favours. |
I don't care how big people think they are. They still are not that significant to the trance scene....No one is. Not even my favorite DJ/ producer. Tiesto and Paul in Oakenfold are not the only ones coming up with ideals and tunes. Do you actually think that Kai Tracid or Talla 2XLC are going to look to Tiesto or Paul in Oakenfold for ideals?? lol...Yo, I don't think so. I don't think that Tiesto or Paul in Oakenfold are the biggest names in trance. I personally think that there are a lot of DJs that are just as big as them....in the real world. There are no one person that sticks out above the rest! There's too many great DJs and producers! Don't take that silly DJ mag list seriously. It's nothing but a complete farse.
| quote: | Originally posted by the gamemaster
ah yes there are people who stick out above the rest. and yes they are that significant and ofcourse a kai tracid isnt going to copy them but alot of their fans and people who start to get into the scene and then possibly make music will alot of the time go with the trends. although rarely will u get a sander van doorn or whoever come along and do something unique and different. im not referring to the dj mag list u tool. this is just the reality of this industry, your sasha's, digweeds, pvd's, bt's, etc. dictate alot of the direction that the genre is going to take.
and yea i love all those artists aswell jivejobingles, its just ing hard to tell the slight differences every time.. |
Maybe I said that wrong....What I meant to say is, yes, people do stick out....but don't even think that Paul in Oaken fold or Tiesto are the only ones that are sticking out....And they aren't the only ones who have "alot of their fans and people who start to get into the scene and then possibly make music will alot of the time go with the trends" ...And why am I a tool?? I hate the DJ mag and DJ list. It's just there are too many people who think that Paul Oakenfold and tiesto are the biggest DJ due to that silly list. I personally think that Talla 2xlc, by himself, is bigger than both. |
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| the gamemaster |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rick Mage
I don't care how big people think they are. They still are not that significant to the trance scene....No one is. Not even my favorite DJ/ producer. Tiesto and Paul in Oakenfold are not the only ones coming up with ideals and tunes. Do you actually think that Kai Tracid or Talla 2XLC are going to look to Tiesto or Paul in Oakenfold for ideals?? lol...Yo, I don't think so. I don't think that Tiesto or Paul in Oakenfold are the biggest names in trance. I personally think that there are a lot of DJs that are just as big as them....in the real world. There are no one person that sticks out above the rest! There's too many great DJs and producers! Don't take that silly DJ mag list seriously. It's nothing but a complete farse.
Maybe I said that wrong....What I meant to say is, yes, people do stick out....but don't even think that Paul in Oaken fold or Tiesto are the only ones that are sticking out....And they aren't the only ones who have "alot of their fans and people who start to get into the scene and then possibly make music will alot of the time go with the trends" ...And why am I a tool?? I hate the DJ mag and DJ list. It's just there are too many people who think that Paul Oakenfold and tiesto are the biggest DJ due to that silly list. I personally think that Talla 2xlc, by himself, is bigger than both. |
no and im not saying they are the only ones sticking out. and btw they arent big names because of how high they rate in the dj list and votes like that, they are high in those votes because they are such big names. the misconception is that they are the best dj's and producers because of that list when really they are just the most famous. get it? |
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| Rick Mage |
| quote: | Originally posted by the gamemaster
no and im not saying they are the only ones sticking out. and btw they arent big names because of how high they rate in the dj list and votes like that, they are high in those votes because they are such big names. the misconception is that they are the best dj's and producers because of that list when really they are just the most famous. get it? |
I disagree. I think that is the only reason why people think that they are the two biggest DJs is because of that stupid silly list. It's certainly not because of any tunes that they have made. I personally think their tunes are basicly weak. :) Yeah, Tiesto has a couple tunes that sounds nice...but I have heard better in recent days and in the past. :) But hey! Maybe that's just me. :)
As for they wouldn't be ranked, so high on the DJ list, if they weren't really the biggest names....I call bull. Only two hundred thousand, or so, people vote on that list. Out of how many trance heads in the world??? There are millions in Germany alone! Yet, everyone, in Germany that I talk to, are like "huh??" when I mention the DJ list. Maybe I just been looking in the wrong places and talking to the wrong die hard tranceheads in Germany.... :) Imagen what the charts would look like if all the millions of trance heads voted....I bet it would look a lot different than it has today and in the past. :)
And how many people, who vote on that list, do you actually think that really knows anything about the trance scene?? They see some in commercial trance DJ, in a commercial or on MTV, and that is the only name that they know! Also, I bet most, who vote, are from USA, Canada, and England! ...I'm not buying that Christopher Lawence is bigger than Talla 2xlc, Westbam, Dave 202, or Kai Tracid....no way in hell....
As for DJing...Paul en Oakenfold needs to take some DJ lessons. Tiesto is good. In fact he is flawless from what I have seen. But so are any other good professional DJ who can spin. I think Talla 2xlc is way better. :) They are no where near close to being the biggest trance DJ in the world. Yeah, they are big but so are a lot of other DJs/Producers. So in a way....Paul in Oakenfold and Tiesto are not that significant...At least I don't think they are. Get it?? :) |
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| the gamemaster |
oh god, your missing the point completely. its not just about those two guys and the dj list is completely insignificant, tiesto, avb, sasha, these sort of guys are the biggest names and im not talking about how good they are or arent im talking about basically how famous they are which are two completely different things. and they are ing significant, they were some of the leading trance producers in terms of quality about 6 years ago (although this is argued). why are u associating Talla 2xlc as a "big name" ffs? he isnt, maybe he is better but im sure alot of people have not heard of him and he's definitely not an innovator in terms of trance like say ferry corsten or pvd used to be. stop getting the words popular and good confused, paul oakenfold is now, tiesto is now, avb is now, pvd is now, etc. etc. but they have all gotten bigger at the same time sasha has moved on, oliver lieb has moved on (for a while now) this is the point we're trying to make, alot of the pioneers of trance are now gone or . and dont u get it, they rank so highly on these lists because of that and i already told u the misconception is that they are the best at what they do because of the lists but it does signify that they are popular among n00bs and people who have listened to trance for years aswell.
besides we are talking about productions in this thread, not djing, everything u've said has been pretty much irrelevant.
and u say that people who voted for them dont know anything about the trance scene, well thats the ing problem these sorts of guys who were arguably some of the best producers in the business or were predicted to be started making that was accessible to people who didnt even like trance because it lost the qualities that made trance great in the first place. thats wat made them big in general and not just big among "tranceheads", that made them commercially "big" rather than just incredibly popular among people who had been trance fans since its foundations or slightly later. then alot of people started to copy them also trying to please crowds outside of the trance scene but then losing wat made it great in the scene itself. |
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| noikeee |
here's a good example of an IQ-dropping discussion.
there have been dozens, hundreds of threads like this in the past, yet there are always new people who've missed it and will go all over it yet again. it's almost painful to read. |
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| Rick Mage |
| quote: | Originally posted by the gamemaster
oh god, your missing the point completely. its not just about those two guys and the dj list is completely insignificant, tiesto, avb, sasha, these sort of guys are the biggest names and im not talking about how good they are or arent im talking about basically how famous they are which are two completely different things. and they are ing significant, they were some of the leading trance producers in terms of quality about 6 years ago (although this is argued). why are u associating Talla 2xlc as a "big name" ffs? he isnt, maybe he is better but im sure alot of people have not heard of him and he's definitely not an innovator in terms of trance like say ferry corsten or pvd used to be. stop getting the words popular and good confused, paul oakenfold is now, tiesto is now, avb is now, pvd is now, etc. etc. but they have all gotten bigger at the same time sasha has moved on, oliver lieb has moved on (for a while now) this is the point we're trying to make, alot of the pioneers of trance are now gone or . and dont u get it, they rank so highly on these lists because of that and i already told u the misconception is that they are the best at what they do because of the lists but it does signify that they are popular among n00bs and people who have listened to trance for years aswell.
besides we are talking about productions in this thread, not djing, everything u've said has been pretty much irrelevant.
and u say that people who voted for them dont know anything about the trance scene, well thats the ing problem these sorts of guys who were arguably some of the best producers in the business or were predicted to be started making that was accessible to people who didnt even like trance because it lost the qualities that made trance great in the first place. thats wat made them big in general and not just big among "tranceheads", that made them commercially "big" rather than just incredibly popular among people who had been trance fans since its foundations or slightly later. then alot of people started to copy them also trying to please crowds outside of the trance scene but then losing wat made it great in the scene itself. |
I am not God. :) Though I can see why you might think I'm a God with my Greek Godlike body and beauty. :)
Dude...it is you that is missing the point. This topic is about wheter Paul en Oakenfold or Tiesto is destoying the scene. I'm saying that nether one of them are that significant to the scene to even come close to destroying the scene. I don't think anyone is. I also don't think that they were the leading leading trance producers, in terms of quality, about 6 years ago or today. Not even close! I certainly don't think that Paul en Oakenfold and Tiesto are the most famous. There are tons of DJs that are just as famous.
There were too many awesome DJs and artists out there then and now! When it comnes to quality, Paul en Oakenfold and Tiesto are not even close! Of course, this is where you and I probably disagree. If they were to die, 6 years ago in a plane crash, the scene would still be going strong! That's the same with Talla 2xlc or Kia Tracid!
I think Talla 2xlc or Westbam has done a lot more than Paul en Oakenfold and Tiesto. Talla 2xlc and Westbam are en legends! Comparing Paul or Tiesto to Talla 2xlc or Westbam is like comparing today's hottest movie stars to Jack Nicholson or Robert De Niro. Yeah, Jack or Robert might not be doing so much today but they are still bigger stars anyway.
Talla 2xlc has been in it since 1978! He started Techno Club in Frankfurt, Germany in 1978! Techno club is an awesome label btw... But I'm not just talking about him! Same with Westbam! I think Kai tracid has done more too! Just check out Tracid Trax! Awesome label!! He certainly has made better tunes than Paul en Oakenfold or Tiesto. The same with a lot of other DJs\producers in the scene. Of course, this is where you and I probably disagree... :)...so, maybe we should agree to disagree... :) ...before someone gets hurt... :) |
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| thoughtlessjex |
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| TheVrk |
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| the gamemaster |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rick Mage
I am not God. :) Though I can see why you might think I'm a God with my Greek Godlike body and beauty. :)
Dude...it is you that is missing the point. This topic is about wheter Paul en Oakenfold or Tiesto is destoying the scene. I'm saying that nether one of them are that significant to the scene to even come close to destroying the scene. I don't think anyone is. I also don't think that they were the leading leading trance producers, in terms of quality, about 6 years ago or today. Not even close! I certainly don't think that Paul en Oakenfold and Tiesto are the most famous. There are tons of DJs that are just as famous.
There were too many awesome DJs and artists out there then and now! When it comnes to quality, Paul en Oakenfold and Tiesto are not even close! Of course, this is where you and I probably disagree. If they were to die, 6 years ago in a plane crash, the scene would still be going strong! That's the same with Talla 2xlc or Kia Tracid!
I think Talla 2xlc or Westbam has done a lot more than Paul en Oakenfold and Tiesto. Talla 2xlc and Westbam are en legends! Comparing Paul or Tiesto to Talla 2xlc or Westbam is like comparing today's hottest movie stars to Jack Nicholson or Robert De Niro. Yeah, Jack or Robert might not be doing so much today but they are still bigger stars anyway.
Talla 2xlc has been in it since 1978! He started Techno Club in Frankfurt, Germany in 1978! Techno club is an awesome label btw... But I'm not just talking about him! Same with Westbam! I think Kai tracid has done more too! Just check out Tracid Trax! Awesome label!! He certainly has made better tunes than Paul en Oakenfold or Tiesto. The same with a lot of other DJs\producers in the scene. Of course, this is where you and I probably disagree... :)...so, maybe we should agree to disagree... :) ...before someone gets hurt... :) |
good job, u missed the point completely again and u still dont know the difference between popularity and quality. your right the scene wouldnt be gone if they werent here, somebody else may have taken there place. no one said they were carrying the whole ing industry. i give up with u though your just talking insignificant crap i dont care how much kai tracid or whoever else u think is more significant to trance than they were your wrong even if they did they werent the "faces" of trance, they werent in the same league as a sasha, or tiesto, or ferry corsten or any of them when it comes to setting the scene or in popularity and when those guys started making absolute cheese thats wat hurt the industry, not kai tracid if he had of followed that would have just hurt it more. either way wat kai tracid or any of them did didnt matter after 01.
btw to say tiesto isnt the biggest name dj is ing ridiculous, "not even close"???? maybe you should get out of the house...
and noone said them alone destroyed the scene. i give up though, read back a bit and learn something.. |
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| charlie lloyd |
i cant be arsed to read though every page of all that (again) but i think the point alot of people need to understand is that its not entirely down to certain artists/djs. its more to do with where the moneys coming from.
the tracks/djs dont get signed or booked unless someone who has the cash thinks that they will sell loads of records or fill the clubs.
id be contraversial here and point the finger at the ministry of sound brand as being one of the reasons.
i remember the first couple of annual compilations where they were half decent until around 2000/2001 when they jumped on the comercial band wagon.
the annual compilations now are almost like the "now 54" albums as well as the 98483 other compilations they pump out every week.
trance got a bad name because during its popularity, the major labels started churning out pop orientated dance records and labeling it as trance or more recently as house.
weather you like it or not, your particular favourite style of music or dj will never break though or get the response you think it should unless the guys who hold the purse strings feel the same.
its all to do with marketing and promotion and the "cheesy" sound or the "pop-house" or currently the "electro" sounds are more in main stream for their sale value to the public.
going back to the 1000000th claim of the last 7 years that trance is "dead", its not dead and never has been but its now in several different forms and each are going pretty strong with their own following and progression. you just have to remove yourself from the corporate marketing machine controlled by the major labels and what they "want" you to hear |
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