|
Who Killed Trance? (pg. 13)
|
View this Thread in Original format
| PETRAN |
From the epic side of things, i dig Daniel Kandi lol. I like his very-melodic (some would say "fluffy)"K(c)andi(y)-trance".
The bad thing is that both epic and psy are more or less identical to their mid-end 90s conception, and when i say identical, i mean IDENTICAL. Its completely the same, the formula hasn't evolved a bit. I'm bored listening to people saying "trance is not dead...it has evolved!" or "it has changed" Well, where is the evolution or change?!? Its exactly the same formula for gods sake...even the same sounds and synths! Polishing the production and making mathematically more precise "clinical" productions doesn't make it different right? This is why younger people love it and older don't. People who were into it before (like me) are habituated to the sound and bores them to hell. Its the same thing...easy hooky-massive-emotional lead-line, a massive break-down in the middle, and kicking-back with greater force. Nooooo moreeee man!Younger people feel its exciting! In today's commercialised computer/plastic/digital/BIG-DJ co. era, it seems to be easier to sustain a sound which is played for more then 10 years in its current form! So, yes, they may be "good" tunes out-there (although very few due to the fact that every loser is a potential producer/musician as it was stated before), with good melodies and stuff, but they are definitely not creative or whatsoever.
Actually do you know Ivan Pavlov and his famous dog and its associated reflexes and stuff? Ivan would present meet to the dog after a buzzer sound and the dog would automatically learn to salivate to the buzzer alone. This represents today's trance perfectly. A Good Pavlovic safe formula that aims to present the buzzers and meat in all the right places and make the thousands clubbers salivate in joy, breakdown after breakdown...
Epic trance was maybe a good idea back in 97...not in 07! |
|
|
| IanBuzz |
| Trance killed trance hahaha:whip: |
|
|
| ibizzzaaa |
| 2004 was the last good year for trance. Then came the emergence of a bunch of 16 year olds who all claim to have taken either piano or guitar lessons at the age of 5. :o |
|
|
| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | Originally posted by IanBuzz
Trance killed trance hahaha:whip: |
It left a note reading: "This is the only way I can end the pain. I spent every day feeling like no one loved me. I decided no one would miss me if I just disappeared.
This is for the best."
:( |
|
|
| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
base causes
- The rise of the internet/mass filesharing
- surburban white america influenced by tiesto/darude/oakenfold, etc
- loss of early 90s youth culture to culture of decadence and instant gratification and youtube
catalysts
- borders/chain store music sections/ commercial comps
- asot
- concert-style headliner events (summerstage, armin only, etc)
I would call it death as well, but maybe so everyone is on the same page it's better to call it a transformation.
This transformation can be looked at in many ways based on bias. For me the transformation of proper "trance" music into current "trance" music, is a sort of death indeed, the death of ideals, of culture, of sound, of musical values. What "trance" is currently is usually devoid of anything trance-inducing and more about the 'banger', the 'ch00n', and all of the melodrama that ensues... I have found seeing armin or pvd live a very unpleasant experience because I am always painfully aware of the reality of the concert/fist pump/fan boy orgy and the music doesn't let me lose myself.
What we are dealing with here I feel is more a result of a cultural change, and who is to blame is this new culture, and then the DJs and producers who began to sell their sound to this 'market'. It is a two way system of the transformation of the massive into the market and the iconoclast into the consumer.
Some of this new asot prog sound that comes out honestly has more to do with Target commercials and minivans than the counter-culture energy that permeated early trance clubs like e-werk and tresor, and of course things like love parade.
I believe you will understand that trance is essentially "dead", or let's say its children have eclipsed and effectively rubbed it out, if you watch these videos in sequence. Try to think about the "message" and the "meaning" in the videos and the music - they are directly related to cultural values.
[[ LINK REMOVED ]]
Major themes and imagery of video:
- Rotating computer-generated solids and landscape fly-overs
- Fall of the berlin wall
- Urban landscape/political landscape
- Community, cultural unity
- Empowerment of music as a force that embodies cultural ideas of unity, tolerance, futurism, and progressive values
- universal "tribal" ritual
particularly watch the mijk van dijk live part. god i would kill to have been a part of that
Trance?
Major themes and imagery of video:
- Scantily-clad women (objectified)
- Asses
- High Heels
- (s)Excess
- Objectifcation of music vis-a-vis "hit" radio track/anthem
Some things of course are still shared - PvD has always been melodic/anthemic, but the difference is when he was doing it in the early 90s it was not yet a commodity and also it was still more or less new. The vestiges of this culture still remain here today, but I hope you can realize that the ideals which shaped trance music are pretty much dead... |
^^^^For the record, this is not me, but it is EXACTLY what I would have said.
I actually blame Oakenfold. The first DJ who wanted to be a rockstar. |
|
|
| Sykonee |
| quote: | Originally posted by thoughtlessjex
It left a note reading: "This is the only way I can end the pain. I spent every day feeling like no one loved me. I decided no one would miss me if I just disappeared.
This is for the best."
:( |
Wow. I knew trance was incorporating elements of emo lately, but I had no idea! |
|
|
| clubamerica |
| TRANCE ADDICT.COM KILLED TRANCE. |
|
|
| narcism |
| the jaded fans killed it |
|
|
| wolftickets |
| Another nail in trance's coffin: Dj Shog(formerly an uplifting hardtrance producer)'s sound is morphing into the ever present "electrotrance sound". |
|
|
| Gjorgji |
| quote: | Originally posted by Whirloop
Maybe these "trance is dead" threads has something to do with it also... |
+1 |
|
|
| *InVeRs3* |
Here in the states, dance music had it's 15 min of fame. It used to be played on the radio and was pushed as the music of the future. That push failed. Just because it's not on the radio doesn't mean it's dead.
The dance music scene here is just getting older over here. I don't think there is any new blood, and if there is it's not much.
edit:
| quote: | | Quantity killed trance. Suddenly it was common that any moron could make a trance tune and get signed. No talent or creativity needed. Only a decent Computer and userfriendly Software and some practice. The good tunes by cerative people out there faded away in the dust off the enormous amount of releases. And the big focus on DJ'ing and not producing also plays a big part. |
If you showed that to the people in the production forum, they'll just laugh. It's not easy making a trance song. It's not like you can just sit down one day and learn even simple ol' fruity loops and start making trance. Even something easy to make like off bass, super saw lead, random fx trance cheese takes time to learn.
Even though I disagree about your argument on producing, I agree about your argument on DJs.
Also, a lot of people are criticizing trance for not evolving. Well, it's dance music which is a branch of popular music. It's supposed to be fun. You need to arrange your tracks to make it work on the dance floor. Adjusting the chords to make it sound different will just be a borefest on the DANCE floor. It's no longer DANCEABLE. People complain about the same chord progressions, notes, keys, and arrangement. Well if you change any of that, it might sound good, but not danceable. Trance/Dance cannot evolve because it's inherently holding itself back. |
|
|
|
|
