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Who Killed Trance? (pg. 16)
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by SuspicionVandit
concert?
inventing DJ shoes? |
Playing Disney World, obviously. |
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| SuspicionVandit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
Playing Disney World, obviously. |
ah yes, the first rave in an airport. how could i forget?
this man is a bigger legend than chuck norris.
we may not realize it now
or in a week
or a month
or a year
or in a hundred years
but in 10,000 years, he will be remembered |
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| eckmek |
| Haha inventing shoes oh yeah i forgot, we all envy him of the shoes, the shoes! |
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| AndreaCKY772 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Atmos
I personally don't slobber over Tiesto but I definately respect the man. I guarantee no one in this thread can even come close to accomplishing 5% of what he has. |
+1 yeah, i don't fuss over tiesto either but i do respect him. i don't feel comfortable talking trash/bashing him because he has done plenty (whether you agree or disagree...he has in impact on many of his listeners). as much as a lot of vocal pop edm tunes can grate my nerves, i don't have to listen to all of his music and be his number one fan, but i definitely won't trash on him.
and i never got the big deal with pvd at all...i don't know if i'm the only one. to each his own, but i don't see why he was a big dj.
edit: imagine the edm scene where the djs/producers did NOT put their names on the tracks and did not put their faces on their albums, so all we know is the title of the track, but not the person who came up with the track. 3 years later after we rave/hate the track, they tell us who made what track.
i'd LOVE it, love it love it. then i can come on here and find out just who happened to like what track and die laughing if it was someone they disliked.
of course that fantasy would never happen... |
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| BeatsAndBeyond |
PVD appearing in a Motorola advert.
It made me cringe every time I saw it. It wasn't the cause of death, but the autopsy report has shown that it weakened trance by 0.001% every time it was aired. |
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| eckmek |
| quote: | Originally posted by AndreaCKY772
+1 yeah, i don't fuss over tiesto either but i do respect him. i don't feel comfortable talking trash/bashing him because he has done plenty (whether you agree or disagree...he has in impact on many of his listeners). as much as a lot of vocal pop edm tunes can grate my nerves, i don't have to listen to all of his music and be his number one fan, but i definitely won't trash on him.
and i never got the big deal with pvd at all...i don't know if i'm the only one. to each his own, but i don't see why he was a big dj.
edit: imagine the edm scene where the djs/producers did NOT put their names on the tracks and did not put their faces on their albums, so all we know is the title of the track, but not the person who came up with the track. 3 years later after we rave/hate the track, they tell us who made what track.
i'd LOVE it, love it love it. then i can come on here and find out just who happened to like what track and die laughing if it was someone they disliked.
of course that fantasy would never happen... |
Why shouldn't he be critisized (sp?) if he puts out music just because he's "done plenty" and has an impact? I really really don't get it. You should treat all releases equally, which means it doesn't matter how many good things the artist has put out, if the release is , it's . Same goes for dj'ing, if a dj set is , it is no matter who the dj is. That's my 0.02 $
As regards to the second part of your post, yeah it would be really interesting! Hehe... |
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| Atmos |
| quote: | Originally posted by eckmek
Why shouldn't he be critisized (sp?) if he puts out music just because he's "done plenty" and has an impact? I really really don't get it. You should treat all releases equally, which means it doesn't matter how many good things the artist has put out, if the release is , it's . Same goes for dj'ing, if a dj set is , it is no matter who the dj is. That's my 0.02 $
As regards to the second part of your post, yeah it would be really interesting! Hehe... |
Well for one...Tiesto introduced many many people to trance. You hear a song like adagio or traffic, and you search his name and come up with other songs. You see one song remixed by another artist and you search him. Just like that, a persons trance and EDM knowledge exapands and so does the taste. You don't start out listening to ing Bart Claessen because simply not too many people know him. Also, yea what you said about being allowed to criticize is true...you have your right and are entitled to your own opinion. But you would be a -faced liar and a dishonorable man if you negated having some sort of respect for a man of his caliber and accomplishments. |
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| eckmek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Atmos
Well for one...Tiesto introduced many many people to trance. You hear a song like adagio or traffic, and you search his name and come up with other songs. You see one song remixed by another artist and you search him. Just like that, a persons trance and EDM knowledge exapands and so does the taste. You don't start out listening to ing Bart Claessen because simply not too many people know him. Also, yea what you said about being allowed to criticize is true...you have your right and are entitled to your own opinion. But you would be a -faced liar and a dishonorable man if you negated having some sort of respect for a man of his caliber and accomplishments. |
So Tiësto introduced many people to trance. 50 Cent introduces many people to rap. Now does that make 50 Cent a good artist? No.
So everyone who don't really understand why Tiësto somehow deserves more respect than everyone else is a -faced liar? I never said you shouldn't respect him at all, i do respect him for some things, but i don't insist on him being the "god of Trance" or the "best DJ in the world" like A ING LOT of people do. |
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| Erotic Buddha |
Ocean Lab - Satellite
that was the end of it all |
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| AndreaCKY772 |
| quote: | Originally posted by eckmek
Why shouldn't he be critisized (sp?) if he puts out music just because he's "done plenty" and has an impact? I really really don't get it. You should treat all releases equally, which means it doesn't matter how many good things the artist has put out, if the release is , it's . Same goes for dj'ing, if a dj set is , it is no matter who the dj is. That's my 0.02 $
As regards to the second part of your post, yeah it would be really interesting! Hehe... |
thank you for your input. of course everyone has a right to be criticized, i'm just saying i'm not going to bash him and automatically yell out "tiesto sucks!" whenever i see his name. i feel that he has done plenty and caused massive impact in the edm world as a whole and partly because of that, i have a level of repsect for him. i can see why some people don't like him and i don't like a lot of the poppy vocal stuff he puts out, but part of the reason why i said i won't talk trash about him is because i think out his entire career, not just his more mainstream pop stuff. it might be the music composer in me that is behind this reason, but this is how i feel. i give him credit for actually composing or at least SOME composing behind his works. i think there are WAY too many other people out there DISGUISING themselves as recording ARTISTS that are getting away with FAAAAAAAAAR worse than what many people on here think of him and other djs right now. not there are songs of his i don't like but i don't go on these boards and talk so much trash about him and beating the issue to death over it. and hey, i hate a lot of mainstream stuff but if i find something that i like that is mainstream, i'm not going to dismiss it because it's mainstream, i'm going to listen to it because it's a peice of music i happen to like) everyone has their opinions...some people don't like him, some people like him, some people are nonchalant about him. i don't know...sometimes it just feels SOME people (NOT ALL, for readers who are about to attack this post) jump on the "i hate him" bandwagon when they see others say they dislike a dj and it just starts to get old after a while.
people have a right to say whatever they want and have opinions on whatever they want. i'm just saying i'm not going to bash him in a negative manner. sure, i have criticisms for him and other djs but i have more respect for him than a lot of the other people i dislike as djs or recording "artists".
now i'm not saying if you hate a dj like tiesto, etc, you are "jealous and hating". that is not a valid reason it is an obnoxious reason, and it's too easy to come up with that type of response. i'm just saying i feel that SOME people are dismissing certain djs in edm because of OTHER people's opinions and how popular the dj is.
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| quote: | Originally posted by eckmek
i do respect him for some things, but i don't insist on him being the "god of Trance" or the "best DJ in the world" like A ING LOT of people do. |
indeed. |
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| Atmos |
| quote: | Originally posted by eckmek
So Tiësto introduced many people to trance. 50 Cent introduces many people to rap. Now does that make 50 Cent a good artist? No.
So everyone who don't really understand why Tiësto somehow deserves more respect than everyone else is a -faced liar? I never said you shouldn't respect him at all, i do respect him for some things, but i don't insist on him being the "god of Trance" or the "best DJ in the world" like A ING LOT of people do. |
You can't compare the two genres because rap/hip-hop is a lot more mainstream than Trance and way easier accessed.
And I never said that he deserves more respect than others, just that you can't attack the guy for doing what he does, because he is attacked way more than any other guy, but I guess that comes with fame. My point is, you don't have to insist on him being a god or the best, I never said that, especially since I am far from considering him the best, but that you shouldn't just criticize or judge someone on little details here and there. You should judge a person by the things they have done that have positively influenced something or someone in one way or another; by a persons accomplishments and good deeds. I doubt anyone would like to be -talked about, especially when it's quite obvious you've done your part. I mean, what more could you ask for from the guy?
And if someone is gonna start talking about me for having something called respect, I could care less so do your best. |
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| Atmos |
| quote: | Originally posted by AndreaCKY772
thank you for your input. of course everyone has a right to be criticized, i'm just saying i'm not going to bash him and automatically yell out "tiesto sucks!" whenever i see his name. i feel that he has done plenty and caused massive impact in the edm world as a whole and partly because of that, i have a level of repsect for him. i can see why some people don't like him and i don't like a lot of the poppy vocal stuff he puts out, but part of the reason why i said i won't talk trash about him is because i think out his entire career, not just his more mainstream pop stuff. it might be the music composer in me that is behind this reason, but this is how i feel. i give him credit for actually composing or at least SOME composing behind his works. i think there are WAY too many other people out there DISGUISING themselves as recording ARTISTS that are getting away with FAAAAAAAAAR worse than what many people on here think of him and other djs right now. not there are songs of his i don't like but i don't go on these boards and talk so much trash about him and beating the issue to death over it. and hey, i hate a lot of mainstream stuff but if i find something that i like that is mainstream, i'm not going to dismiss it because it's mainstream, i'm going to listen to it because it's a peice of music i happen to like) everyone has their opinions...some people don't like him, some people like him, some people are nonchalant about him. i don't know...sometimes it just feels SOME people (NOT ALL, for readers who are about to attack this post) jump on the "i hate him" bandwagon when they see others say they dislike a dj and it just starts to get old after a while.
people have a right to say whatever they want and have opinions on whatever they want. i'm just saying i'm not going to bash him in a negative manner. sure, i have criticisms for him and other djs but i have more respect for him than a lot of the other people i dislike as djs or recording "artists".
now i'm not saying if you hate a dj like tiesto, etc, you are "jealous and hating". that is not a valid reason it is an obnoxious reason, and it's too easy to come up with that type of response. i'm just saying i feel that SOME people are dismissing certain djs in edm because of OTHER people's opinions and how popular the dj is.
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indeed. |
Well said...wise words. |
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