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School Shooting: At least 32 persons reported killed by lone gunman at Virginia Tech (pg. 7)
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by Muff2K
so maybe if there was an anti-gun law - he couldve cooled off and/or just not been able to get one. we'll never know.
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While I am not in favor of guns being legal, who's to say that his inability to get a gun on his first try or two would cool him off? Perhaps he would have found another way to kill people i.e. homemade bombs. If someone is that angry that they we willing to take 32 lives including their own...I'm sure having a harder time finding a gun would not have stopped them. |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | ]Originally posted by Muff2K
Guns are legal but weed isn't - when's the last time marijuana killed 32 people in one day?? |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Drugs and related crime kill more than 32 people per day in the USA. |
Hahahaha. Oh come on RJ. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
I say the uni. is fully responsible for the 2nd shooting - it's not a freaking state they have to evacute, just one campus and with efficiently cooperating campus security and outside authorities this could have been done, i.e. cancel class and evacuate
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Are you freakin' serious?
Even IF classes were canceled, that would have not have gotten everyone off campus, nor would it have stopped the shooter.
And evacuation? It wasn't a bomb threat, the original shooting was treated as a murder case. If someone is murdered at a club, they wouldn't evacuate - at least not until they got names and statements from each person there - which would take a long time with a campus of 25,000+ full-time students.
The option the University may have take would be to be put on lock-down, until they find the killer. But even still...that still probably wouldn't have stopped him.
There is NO possible way you can say the school is fully responsible for the second shooting. They just didn't realize what they were up against, which is unfortunate. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
Hahahaha. Oh come on RJ. |
Come on Graham:
Actual Causes of Death in the United States in 2000
- Illicit drug use 17 000
Source: JAMA, March 10, 2004—Vol 291, No. 10
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46 deaths per day.
Note: This number does not include alcohol, tobacco or prescriptive drug related deaths. |
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| slingshot |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Come on Graham:
Actual Causes of Death in the United States in 2000
- Illicit drug use 17 000
Source: JAMA, March 10, 2004—Vol 291, No. 10
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46 deaths per day. |
and the percentage of those deaths from marijauna users? |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by slingshot
and the percentage of those deaths from marijauna users? |
FFS! What do I look like? Your research lackie? Go ask JAMA.
My statement: Drugs and related crime kill more than 32 people per day in the USA.
JAMA's fact: 46 people die per day from "illicit drug use". |
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| The Highroller |
He asked you how many deaths marijuana causes; a leading question acting as a premise to prove the argument that marijuana should be legalized. He did not ask you how many deaths all illicit drugs and criminal activity related to those illicit drugs cause.
Sure you could argue that criminal activity related to marijuana trafficking causes deaths, but that would just support the argument that marijuana should be legalized. |
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| slingshot |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
FFS! What do I look like? Your research lackie? Go ask JAMA.
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so are you telling me that i can no longer delegate all of my research inquiries to you? |
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| rabbitjoker |
Marijuana-Only Drug Abuse Deaths (Marijuana Only Drug Involved) 2002
Detroit - 39
Kansas City - 32
Philadelphia - 16
Source: Marijuana-Only Drug Abuse Deaths 2002 (Center for Effective Drug Abuse Research & Statistics)
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The above numbers are annual - yes, but shootings like what happened in VA are hardly an annual occurrence so I think in this situation the comparison time-frame is reasonable.
Now before someone refutes the above with usage percentages - let I remind you that there are way more gun owners in the USA than marijuana users.
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The point being: in a given city a drug like marijuana can kill just as many people in a year as a mad gunman. |
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| slingshot |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Marijuana-Only Drug Abuse Deaths (Marijuana Only Drug Involved) 2002
Detroit - 39
Kansas City - 32
Philadelphia - 16
Source: Marijuana-Only Drug Abuse Deaths 2002 (Center for Effective Drug Abuse Research & Statistics)
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The above numbers are annual - yes, but shootings like what happened in VA are hardly an annual occurrence so I think in this situation the comparison time-frame is reasonable.
Now before someone refutes the above with usage percentages - let I remind you that there are way more gun owners in the USA than marijuana users. |
Canadian statistics would be more applicable as the question of legalization is a Canadian issue, not an American one.
ps. is the horse dead yet? |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by slingshot
Canadian statistics would be more applicable as the question of legalization is a Canadian issue, not an American one.
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The mass murder happened in the USA - so the data relating to the United States is more relevant. |
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| The Highroller |
Link? I'm curious to know what a "marijuana only" death is. The term "marijuana only death" is not necessarily indicative of a death caused by marijuana. The term does not imply causation.
Data impaired?
| quote: | In summary, enormous doses of Delta 9 THC, All THC and concentrated marihuana extract ingested by mouth were unable to produce death or organ pathology in large mammals but did produce fatalities in smaller rodents due to profound central nervous system depression.
The non-fatal consumption of 3000 mg/kg A THC by the dog and monkey would be comparable to a 154-pound human eating approximately 46 pounds (21 kilograms) of 1%-marihuana or 10 pounds of 5% hashish at one time. In addition, 92 mg/kg THC intravenously produced no fatalities in monkeys. These doses would be comparable to a 154-pound human smoking at one time almost three pounds (1.28 kg) of 1%-marihuana or 250,000 times the usual smoked dose and over a million times the minimal effective dose assuming 50% destruction of the THC by smoking.
Thus, evidence from animal studies and human case reports appears to indicate that the ratio of lethal dose to effective dose is quite large. This ratio is much more favorable than that of many other common psychoactive agents including alcohol and barbiturates |
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