Originally posted by Ishkur
You're not doing a very good job of it, then. You have told no jokes.
You know how I know you're gay? Because you're Canadian.:tongue2
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Thus far, you have only succeeded in coming off as a whiny trancecracker defending his lilly whitebread cracker culture against what you perceive is an invasion from black people music.
Yes, in fact I am a covert racist KKKracker. Nevermind the fact that I listen to hip-hop, prefer to dance to hip-hop over any other genre at a club, and work with mostly black artists. How'd you accurately extrapolate something about my personality from my argument and use it, rather than facts, to magically nullify my argument? You're good. I bet when I complain about Mexican food you're also gonna accurately claim I'm against communist Cuba, aren't ya?
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Those who oppose you in this thread (including myself) are simply more tolerant of musical variety than you.
No, you're just used to hearing so much you got desensitized to it. Just like how I used to complain about Bush all the time and now I just don't care.
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It's not a trance track at all, much less a really terrible one.
It's a terrible trance track slowed down. How do you fail to hear this?
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*shrug* Criticize them better then. Like maybe have some actual concrete proof or evidence to back up your claims.
I already gave enough evidence, and all of my family and close friends seem to understand exactly what I'm talking about. So I know it isn't just me. I'd probably do a better job explaining in person with audio examples. But this is not my master thesis or a scientific experiment. So I don't need concrete proof, care bear.
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This song has NO arpeggiation, NO supersaws, and NO hoovers.
Yes it does, yes it does, and duh dumbass I never mentioned hoover boobers.
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You are throwing these terms around like you know what you're talking about. Please. Reset your premises. Try again.
You are throwing empty counter-arguments (saying "no it's not, you're wrong") as grounds to prove me wrong. Please reset your cerebral cortex and try a better counter-argument method that uses logic. Thanks. ;)
Jake Benson
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Originally posted by SMC
You've gotten it all wrong. Ask anyone here. There was even a thread about it here the other day, "proper progressive trance" it was called i think.
I'm not talking about your websters P.C. definition of trance. I was referring to a really ty pop prog trance that's 6+ years old. It probably isn't proper progressive trance that I'm talking about.
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Originally posted by stevebutabi
Timbaland produced JT's "My Love" right? I really like the synth on that track. IMO it's a positive example of hip hop and trance crossing paths. I'd like to hear more tracks like that.
Yup! Same example of what I'm talking about except there were less trance/EDM/euro-trash elements in it and the mesh of the two genres actually sounded better.
Jake Benson
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Originally posted by Minhaj
this is probably one of the most retarded threads ever made. some ****** ripping off trance?
WHO GIVES A .
god this is...this is worst then 9/11, holocaust, and all the big school shootings put together.
Uhhh...I don't get it. All I read from you was this:
Hi I'm probably one of the most retarded TA members that didn't read anymore than two lines on the first page but I have to point out that the person you are referring who wrote the track of this conversation is African American and therefore you are racist. Also Hitler killed about 12 million people and Muslims crashed planes into two tall buildings, but the fact that you don't like this song means that you've just killed 24 million people and now thanks to you the whole city of New York was eatin by a giant Middle Eastern fat chick with a saggy perineum! And by way your post is the new Columbine.
You, sir, know exactly what you're talking about, don't you?
SMC
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Originally posted by Jake Benson
I'm not talking about your websters P.C. definition of trance.
My what?
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pop prog trance
There is no such thing, sorry.
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It probably isn't proper progressive trance that I'm talking about.
Then why the hell do you insist on calling it progressive trance?
And you still haven't given a single example...
Jake Benson
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Originally posted by SMC
My what?
*sigh* You're pretty.
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There is no such thing, sorry.
Right. No such thing as pop prog trance. Yes, prog trance is never pop music because it's sooooo underground, right?
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Then why the hell do you insist on calling it progressive trance?
Because it is. Prog trance / trance/ euro-trash / dance pop. Same song different culture-bound word defining it. It's all semantics.
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And you still haven't given a single example...
I don't need to. I referred to a "cliche pro trance" track which refers to a general bland typical format.
Mr.Mystery
"I am right and everyone else is wrong! If you don't agree I'll act like a dick and throw some petty insults at you!"
Jake Benson
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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
"I am right and everyone else is wrong! If you don't agree I'll act like a dick and throw some petty insults at you!"
Is that directed at me, or Ish, or both?
Ishkur
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Originally posted by Jake Benson
Nevermind the fact that I listen to hip-hop,
On the internet, you can claim to be anything you want, still doesn't make you right.
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Originally posted by Jake Benson
No, you're just used to hearing so much you got desensitized to it.
Yeah, that's why I love Armin and Tiesto.
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Originally posted by Jake Benson
It's a terrible trance track slowed down. How do you fail to hear this?
It's a hip hop song sampled and slowed down. Show me where the trance part is.
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Originally posted by Jake Benson
I already gave enough evidence
You haven't given any at all, other than "listen to it", which isn't evidence.
If you make a claim, back it up.
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Originally posted by Jake Benson
Yes it does, yes it does, and duh dumbass I never mentioned hoover boobers.
Do even know what an arpeggio is?
Show me where the arpeggio is. Show me where the supersaw is. Show me where the hoover is. The onus is on you to prove that these sounds and techniques exist in this particular song.
Your own words, opening post: "By the way in certain parts of the song the hoover sound..."
You mentioned hoovers. Don't backpedal. Show me: Where are the hoovers?
Gauss
I kinda like that track. There, I said it. And me liking something that can be found on regular MTV program is very rare.
Jake Benson
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Originally posted by Ishkur
On the internet, you can claim to be anything you want, still doesn't make you right.
True, and then according to your logic, you are therefore wrong.
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Yeah, that's why I love Armin and Tiesto.
Not all trance is bad trance.
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It's a hip hop song sampled and slowed down. Show me where the trance part is.
The trance elements are the kick, clap, IN COMBINATION WITH that staccato/arpeggio/decay/pattern whatever you call it synth where the pattern repeats every kick and the melody repeats every 8 kicks. That sound starts as soon as the first beat drops. That's only been done in one track before also produced by Timbaland, but it's a very typical pattern in an old cliche trance track. It's not wrong and I'm not against it. But I found that rhythm/melody pattern of the synth annoying in a lot of trance/prog-trance/hard-trance/euro-trash/happy hardcore tracks I heard and now that it's in hip-hop it doesn't sound any better to me and I have no idea why it's suddenly everyone's new ringtone.
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You haven't given any at all, other than "listen to it", which isn't evidence.
True, but I figured it's an obvious comparison.
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If you make a claim, back it up.
I already did. I'm not comparing it to a specific trance track, just a cliche element of an old trance track. You might not know what I'm talking about since you probably weren't a trance whore like I was from 96 to 02.
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Do even know what an arpeggio is?
"the sounding of the notes of a chord in rapid succession instead of simultaneously."
There's probably a better word to describe what I'm talking about. This is all semantics again. What I'm trying to describe is in the "tell me the trance element" response above in this post.
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Show me where the arpeggio is. Show me where the supersaw is. Show me where the hoover is. The onus is on you to prove that these sounds and techniques exist in this particular song.
Okay so I said hoover loosely in the first post, but I already responded saying no hoover. That actual sound isn't a hoover, I just called it a hoover to insult the instrument being used. I hate you.
As for supersaw, whatever saw it is, it's definitely found in trance music. The name of it is not the point.
The rhythm pattern (just for one beat, but is revisted every 4 beats) of that synth at 1:36BPM/-2:36 is the typical pattern and synth I'm talking about that sounds similar to the one in Timbaland's song. You can't tell me he just thought of the synth and pattern all on his own. And yes these two synths aren't the same, but if you reduce the cutoff on this synth it'll sound much more like the one used in Timbaland's song.
It's just that annoying pattern with the synth I'm talking about. Dunno the name of the synth, dun care, but it sure was used a lot of times in that era to the point where you're like "okay new synth new pattern please!"
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Your own words, opening post: "By the way in certain parts of the song the hoover sound..."
You mentioned hoovers. Don't backpedal. Show me: Where are the hoovers?
hahahah, you're right. My bad. =( No hoover. I owe you Chinese food. No seriously, when you're in LA next time, meals on me. Didn't mean to use that term loosely. Whatever it synth that starts playing as soon as the beat kicks in. I don't care what the name is, it's annoying, it plagued trance, and now it's plaguing hip-hop. Whatever the name that's not the topic of dicussion.
So if you are claiming "what are you talking about?" but in a previous post you are saying "hip-hop can take any elements from anywhere" are you acknolwedging my point that the song has trance/euro-trash/dance-pop-like elements but just picking on me for using the wrong words?
Jeez can't I make fun of something without being forced to turn it into an essay?
Mr.Mystery
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Originally posted by Jake Benson
Jeez can't I make fun of something without being forced to turn it into an essay?
Well, the next time you're making fun of something try to be funny.
Jake Benson
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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Well, the next time you're making fun of something try to be funny.
I am funny. What's wrong with you? :eyes:
No but seriously I came into MDD with a COR attitude. I'll make sure next post/thread to be more thorough, analytical and anal. :rolleyes:
