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a BA is the "new" high school diploma? (pg. 3)
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| AndreaCKY772 |
i considered nursing before... i come from a family of doctors/nurses, my mom is a nurse and since elementary school i've been interested in anatomy, diseases and medicine.
but i figured i'd use my creativity and stand in front of a group of people and promote a product for the market. :eyespop:
and omega m... congrats on your ph.d! that is very honorable, i think. hopefully i can achieve one in the future...i'll see what happens after my masters! |
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| getfoul |
| I blame the canadians. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by getfoul
I blame the canadians. |
Yeah 'em!! :mad: |
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| XaNaX |
I work in the IT field and if you want to get into any management type positions you better have a BA or BBA. Yeah, you can get a job as a programmer without one but those are the types of jobs that are being outsourced offshore. To be a systems analyst, project manager, or IT director and above no company I have worked for will even talk to you if you don't have your bachelors.
But do you need a masters? I dunno, maybe to get a CIO position it might help. But honestly, as long as you have that bachelors the second you walk into your first job and get your first work experience your education credentials are meaningless. I have never once in a job interview had anyone even mention my college much less ask me any questions about it. All the interviews are based on past work experience and will that translate to success at the new company. |
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| BoReD365247 |
| My theory has always been its a 30K job for just a regular BA (Not a professional degree like engineering or something) and then anything higher than that required more. I know my BA won't get me much more than that so its off to law school for me and after 100K of debt my 60K+ salary should be somewhat decent. |
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| Boomer187 |
wtf, nobody cares about getting a job they actually like doing anymore. All I ever hear is this job makes x amount of money, this one makes more money. my whole goal in getting a career job is getting a job I like, cause then won't have to work another day in my life. funk the money, funk the stress, funk hating your job ;)
and you can blame the massive amount of people trying to get education as the reason BAs and BSs are devaluing, I blame the institutions. Profs are kept on the payroll by 1. service to the depart, 2. teacher evaluations from students, and sometimes 3. research. Now some school only look at the first 2. If professors actually did their job and really weeded out the weak from their class they would not be passing very many people. BUT, that means evaluations go down and their job goes bye bye.
also if a uni does their job and weeds out the real failures (im a firm believer that uni is not for everyone), no one will want to go there...less money for the institution.
so in turn they try to keep the failure rate between 60 and 80% for incoming freshies to keep them along, keep them spending money. and in turn we get weak ass mofos with a BS or BA degree when they should have failed out for being a dumbass. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Boomer187
wtf, nobody cares about getting a job they actually like doing anymore. All I ever hear is this job makes x amount of money, this one makes more money. my whole goal in getting a career job is getting a job I like, cause then won't have to work another day in my life. funk the money, funk the stress, funk hating your job ;)
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Agreed. Doing a job you like isn't like "working" at all. :) |
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| BoReD365247 |
| Money isn't everything to me but it definitely makes things better/easier. A nice house and other nice things are comforting, but of course I have to be happy in my career. I actually did put some thought into my degrees so I'm happy with the first one so far and hopefully law ends up working out. |
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Boomer187
also if a uni does their job and weeds out the real failures (im a firm believer that uni is not for everyone), no one will want to go there...less money for the institution.
so in turn they try to keep the failure rate between 60 and 80% for incoming freshies to keep them along, keep them spending money. and in turn we get weak ass mofos with a BS or BA degree when they should have failed out for being a dumbass. |
I have to agree with this. When I went to college for my BBA a guy I knew was 3 years ahead of me. He says "dude you are lucky you are starting when you are, I had to take 3 quarters of the same calculus that the engineers take but you guys only have to take 'business calculus'"
Calculus was the fail out class for the business college but they even ing dumbed that requirement down. That business calculus I had to take was easier than the calculus I was taking in high school. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by BoReD365247
My theory has always been its a 30K job for just a regular BA (Not a professional degree like engineering or something) and then anything higher than that required more. I know my BA won't get me much more than that so its off to law school for me and after 100K of debt my 60K+ salary should be somewhat decent. |
do you live in the real world? in most of the populated USA the average wage is 30k or so a year. i have no college education (as of yet. starting in the fall studying for Mech. Eng.) and i make 42k a year. before this i was making 31k a year. its not hard to get a job that pays that. well at least in california its not. |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Boomer187
wtf, nobody cares about getting a job they actually like doing anymore. All I ever hear is this job makes x amount of money, this one makes more money. my whole goal in getting a career job is getting a job I like, cause then won't have to work another day in my life. funk the money, funk the stress, funk hating your job ;)
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i used to think this way too, but then i prioritized the things that are important to me in life, and i realized that making x amount of money is more important to me so i can reach x amount of goals.
things i want to do in life
travel the world (requires lots of money and vacation time)
build my dream home (requires lots of money)
family (requires lots of money, dream home, vacation time, health insurance, etc...)
so chosing a career that will allow me to make enough money to do all of those things is now my dream.
now, i'm not exactly getting into a career i hate, but my reasoning behind it was that i need to have a steady career where i know i'll make x amount of money so i can do all of those things i listed above and more. so it was more of a practical move for me.
i envy those who follow dream careers. i have no doubt i'll be happy in mine, but it's not my "dream career" that i'm going for. but i'll be happy knowing i can do all of the things i want to do in life though, and that's a dream in itself. good enough for me. |
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| colonelcrisp |
Engineering is discipline dependant. Aerospace engineers curently cant get jobs in their fields with B.Eng's. all my friends are going back for a M.Eng. In Civil, the job market is amazing right now, infact i have had my veritable pick of the litter of jobs. in two weeks i got 5 offers ranging from 40k to 74k per year. ironically i turned down the 74k job and took a modest 45k job. It was nice to be able to factor in more than just the money factor. Quality of life, working hours, work environment, type of work, career oppourtunities all swayed my decision but i ended up accepting an offer with a younger smaller firm that is right down the street form my house. no rush hour for me EVER.
the BA has been reduced to a 30k gold star on your forhead these days, some of the earth and physical sciences still have moderate job oppourtunities, but if you got a BA in psych, history, humanities etc... good luck I know engineers tend to be pretty cocky about their degrees.... "would you like fries with that?" but since our programs re regulated and accredited, we have maintained a higher value for our degrees. mind you only people who like testing the limits of their stress capacitys and psyche enroll in engineering... worst 4 or best 6 years of your life lol.... |
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