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Your ASOT Top 5 of 2007 (pg. 13)
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01 Albert Vorne - Formentera What (Gareth Emery Remix)
02 First State feat. Anita Kelsey - Falling
03 First State - Evergreen
04 Lemon & Einar K - Hope
05 Remy & Roland Klinkenberg - Mexico Can Wait |
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| teknomonki |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Entry level? Entry level to what? I agree that the comments about not liking trance if you don't listen to ASOT is inaccurate, but it's no worse than "ASOT was/is/will always be...entry-level music" :haha:
What a crock of . Let me guess, digging deeper and getting to your music would be upgrading? No mate, it wouldn't. It would just be diversifying your tatses, NOT improving them. If I love one genre, and then find out I love another one it doesn't mean that I've upgraded. It means I have expanded my tastes to encompass more great music.
Once again, entry level? Justify that comment. |
Maybe I should have clarified, as you're way off the mark here. 'Entry-level' refers to the fact that ASOT is the first port of call for many people (not all, obviously) having a sniff around trance, or it was for a lot of people that I know. But then they ended up thinking that ASOT was the be-all and end-all of trance music that was available. But it isn't, so why compare it to listening to different genres? That's a completely different argument altogether.
Any chance that you can explain why diversifying your tastes isn't improving them in some way? :conf: |
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| teknomonki |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fresh Prince
thanks for the suggestion anyway; as if it's impossible to like ASOT-style 'trance' :rolleyes: |
And where did I say it was impossible to like it? :conf: |
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| HaeD |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fresh Prince
He meant the Tranny Nobel's prize, unlike Alfred, Tranny was a pisspoor native of Canada, he couldn't utter 2 words that make sense, hence they give out an award in his memory, most TA greats have already picked theirs in the long years they've been running in the trance circles. We are too young and don't know our music well enough to be considered for such an esteemed prize. |
Don't worry you won't stay fresh for long. |
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| RickyM |
| Well what a surprise this thread turned out as it did... |
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| SPANIARD |
| quote: | Originally posted by RickyM
Well what a surprise this thread turned out as it did... |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by teknomonki
Maybe I should have clarified, as you're way off the mark here. 'Entry-level' refers to the fact that ASOT is the first port of call for many people (not all, obviously) having a sniff around trance, or it was for a lot of people that I know. But then they ended up thinking that ASOT was the be-all and end-all of trance music that was available. But it isn't, so why compare it to listening to different genres? That's a completely different argument altogether.
Any chance that you can explain why diversifying your tastes isn't improving them in some way? :conf: |
I find this "epic trance" as "entry music" argument completely crap. I was personally first exposed to psy-trance acts back in the 90s like astral projection, MFG, juno reactor, total eclipse, transwave...then came the british proggier/, IDM-kinda music like orbital, leftfield, underworld, aphex twin, autechre,william orbit, bola...and then the epic/melodic trance, (back in '99, when the structure of the music was almost...identical to current releases!) and i liked it for what it was, that is, good fun simple and dreamy big-room melodic music.
It is true that-not only trance-but most of EDM hasn't evolved much from back then, due possibly to the over-commercalization of EDM ("since the same formulas work its ok")and hence the same sounds are used (e.g. super-saw in epic-trance, jazzy chords in deep house, the same bloody psy kick of psy) ,making older listeners (like me) bored to hell. Thats not to say though that you don't get good melodic tracks in epic trance (the same goes for all EDM genres). Like back in '99, you get the commercial tracks with the cheesy vocals and everything but you also get some good instrumental tunes as well.
Furthermore it is good to "broaden your horizons", but if "broaden your horizons" in trance means "bash people who listen to ASOT" and "force them to listen to psy or prog-psy" or even to trenddy stuff like minimal or electro or whatever, then thanks, but i personally wouldn't like to broaden my horizons (neither would the people that you so passionately try to convert them, especially with insults and stuff!!!).
In the end of the day all EDM is electronic dance music possibly made in FL-studio, logic, or cu-base. I can't see how an EDM genre which is structurally similar to another EDM genre can be in principle "better" or of "higher quality". Most EDM is based on simple loops, simple chord progressions and samples (and i say "most" because some of it doesn't have these basic qualities....and surpriseingly enough this sometimes is termed "cool" or "groundbreaking"...). Can something be of higher "quality" just because the lad that made it used different samples in logic?
And by broadening (diversifying) genre-knowledge, you don't "improve" anything. "Improvement" comes when something (such as a car or a computer or human performance) can in principle become better in an objective, observable way. How can subjective human taste be improved? By stating suggestions, you just expose someone to a broader selection-space, you don't "improve" his/her taste. Taste is not something which can "become better" since there is no "Taste-metter" (tasteometer, tasteosope) to objectively define what "musical taste" is "good" and what "musical taste" is "bad". Someone likes listen to the pigmys in a new-age track ("deep forest" maybe?)someone else likes the songless noises of einsturzende neubauten or throbbing gristle. Who has a better taste? Maybe one genre can be considered "cooler" because the media say so and particular societal factors reinforce it (e.g. maybe its cooler if you are young to listen to industrial rather than new-age and the other way-round if you are a mature businessman) but the experience of aesthetics are not objective. So all you people stop playing the bloody "missionaries of good music" because you are not! |
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| Fledz |
^^^^Amen  |
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| Neo95gt |
| Well he shut everyone up real quick :eyes: |
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| InfiniteSquare |
| he's exactly right.. all the trolls (ie. rebel9, mikey mike, uwm and the rest of the manor) can read that post and it will blow right over their heads but if in the slimest of chances it doesn't, well it totally shuts them right up anyways |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
And by broadening (diversifying) genre-knowledge, you don't "improve" anything. |
what the heck? of course you improve. you improve your knowledge. if you as a newbie in the EDM scene listen to Scooter but think you listen to techno isn't that reason enough why these people should broaden their musical horizon?
I'm not saying that everyone will enjoy all kinds of EDM just because you listen to one type of EDM. But by listening to various types makes your knowledge greater and you also learn new tricks when it comes to producing if you are producer.
A good example of this is just to listen to various types of trance producers. The very best are often those who listens to mainly non-trance records. And compare them to those who only listen to the type of trance that they produce themselves. The result ends up really dull and boring. I've noticed this for a long time since I personally know several of these producers. |
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| UWM |
| quote: | Originally posted by InfiniteSquare
he's exactly right.. all the trolls (ie. rebel9, mikey mike, uwm and the rest of the manor) can read that post and it will blow right over their heads but if in the slimest of chances it doesn't, well it totally shuts them right up anyways |
How would that shut anybody up? Nobody here is on a crusade to force people to change the music they listen to. We're simply discussing our own opinions on a particular type of electronic music on a forum that is dedicated to music discussion. We are as entitled to our opinions as you are to yours, and just because ours are negative does not make them wrong. |
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