Originally posted by thoughtlessjex . But like I've said, hip hop is dance music just like trance and techno.
Oh me sorry , it is jus like trance and techno:stongue:
Thats what i want at an advertised EDM festival
Not this
And yes i could go to another stage but thats no arguement and they will keep slipping acts like this in
And to the prick who said something about americans like morillo
my beef is with the genre clash not were there from
Sykonee
" me, what's Kanye West doing here? Don't the promoters know that this is a DANCE music festival? What's with the hip-hop?"
"Yeah, no doubt. Want to check out someone else?"
"Sure, who's on right now?"
"Stanton Warriors, Freestylers, 2 Many DJs, Krafty Kuts & MC Dynamite..."
nrjizer
This is a great thread.
stevėsto
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
And my answer for hip hop artists in general is "As long as they're good, why shouldn't they be at an EDM event?"
because then EDM becomes any music that uses a certain method to make sounds, and that becomes too broad. when does music become EDM? a rock band has an electric lead and bass guitar, are they EDM? you got to draw the line somewhere. you might specify rules like must use synthesized sounds, but then that becomes gay because your answer for being there is because you like any music as long as it has keyboard like sounds in it. does britney spears belong at a heavy metal concert? no. does slipknot belong at a hip hop event? no. does kanye need to be the headliner at an EDM event? hell no.
MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by stevėsto
because then EDM becomes any music that uses a certain method to make sounds, and that becomes too broad. when does music become EDM? a rock band has an electric lead and bass guitar, are they EDM? you got to draw the line somewhere.
No, because rock is played rather than sequenced, and most of the sound is made with live instrumentation rather than pre-programmed sequences or audio playback.
It's the method of composition and performance that matters, at least in my mind. This method of classification seems pretty reasonable to me, and the fact that some people don't classify hip hop as part of EDM simply because they don't like it strikes me as stupid and narrow-minded.
There's some blurring of the lines with bands that use sequencers along with live instruments, but most artists really do fall pretty easily into one category or the other. Some music is sequenced, some is not, some combines both methods, but true hybrids are actually pretty rare.
nrjizer
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Don't like hiphop? Than walk to another stage. That line up is so awesome!
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" me, what's Kanye West doing here? Don't the promoters know that this is a DANCE music festival? What's with the hip-hop?"
"Yeah, no doubt. Want to check out someone else?"
"Sure, who's on right now?"
"Stanton Warriors, Freestylers, 2 Many DJs, Krafty Kuts & MC Dynamite..."
QFT
Seriously, some of you people need to get a grip.
stevėsto
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
No, because rock is played rather than sequenced, and most of the sound is made with live instrumentation rather than pre-programmed sequences or audio playback.
time to drop some knowledge on yo ass: there is a lot of EDM that is played live and not sequenced, sometimes its hard to hear the difference. ever heard of prodigy? depeche mode? the field? the knife? there are a lot of dance rock bands now that use mostly synths.
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
It's the method of composition and performance that matters, at least in my mind. This method of classification seems pretty reasonable to me, and the fact that some people don't classify hip hop as part of EDM simply because they don't like it strikes me as stupid and narrow-minded.
there are rock bands that sound like they are using the traditional setup of lead,bass guitar and acoustic drum kit but are actually pressing keys on a keyboard and unless you saw their method of composition and performance you wouldn't know the difference.
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
There's some blurring of the lines with bands that use sequencers along with live instruments, but most artists really do fall pretty easily into one category or the other. Some music is sequenced, some is not, some combines both methods, but true hybrids are actually pretty rare.
this last part nullifies what you said a few sentences above. this is why you shouldn't set technical rules in the first place. when you do that you open the festival to every form of music nowadays. if you are going to invite hip hop to edm events based on your composition and performance criteria than you must invite a lot of rock bands too. and pop music. because guess what? they use sequencers and synths now. EDM is not about the instruments used, its the mentality and idea behind the music that matters. organizers group music together by the type of people that listen to it. most people that love EDM do not like hearing ghetto such as someone bragging about their wealth, taunting and challenging others, and arrogance.
MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by stevėsto
time to drop some knowledge on yo ass: there is a lot of EDM that is played live and not sequenced, sometimes its hard to hear the difference. ever heard of prodigy? depeche mode? the field? the knife? there are a lot of dance rock bands now that use mostly synths.
A lot of "live act" electronic music consists of simply activating pre-programmed synth and drum sequences rather than playing them manually. Orbital did this, for example. And the fact remains that these kind of albums are almost always sequenced rather than played live -- certainly the case with The Prodigy, for example. I don't know enough about The Field or The Knife to say anything about them.
Depeche Mode is a good example of a band who's an actual hybrid making EDM. New Order would be another.
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there are rock bands that sound like they are using the traditional setup of lead,bass guitar and acoustic drum kit but are actually pressing keys on a keyboard and unless you saw their method of composition and performance you wouldn't know the difference.
Who does this? Which rock bands sequence their melodies with a computer rather than actually playing them on guitars, keyboards, and real drum kits?
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most people that love EDM do not like hearing ghetto such as someone bragging about their wealth, taunting and challenging others, and arrogance.
This is the kind of ignorance that I was talking about in dismissing hip hop -- people like you who think only of popular radio bull when they hear the term "hip hop." This is just as ignorant as people who think that Crazy Frog is an accurate representation of all of dance music.
MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by stevėsto
this last part nullifies what you said a few sentences above.
All it does is acknowledge that categories can be blurred. The fact that it can be hard to distinguish between melodic techno and "prog" (to take an example from a recent thread) doesn't mean that techno and prog are the same thing. Same with EDM and non-EDM.
stevėsto
will you hurry up and finish editing your post so i can quote it? you keep adding in examples.
MrJiveBoJingles
Done.
stevėsto
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
A lot of "live act" electronic music consists of simply activating pre-programmed synth and drum sequences rather than playing them manually. Orbital did this, for example. And the fact remains that these kind of albums are almost always sequenced rather than played live -- certainly the case with The Prodigy, for example. I don't know enough about The Field or The Knife to say anything about them.
Depeche Mode is a good example of a band who's an actual hybrid making EDM. New Order would be another.
whats the difference between depeche mode and prodigy performance wise? if i know. thats the point. and i dont know many live instrumentation bands recording live in one take onto an album.
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Who does this? Which rock bands sequence their melodies with a computer rather than actually playing them on guitars, keyboards, and real drum kits?
open your mind to possibilities. dont make rules and confine music by their method.
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
This is the kind of ignorance that I was talking about in dismissing hip hop -- people like you who think only of popular radio bull when they hear the term "hip hop." This is just as ignorant as people who think that Crazy Frog is an accurate representation of all of dance music.
i didnt dismiss hip hop, i was talking about kanye west. i love a lot of hip hop that has a great message and feel to it like tribe called quest, digable planets, etc. i havent heard that type of hip hop in a lonnnnggg time though.
