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Suspected Santa gunman takes life; 8 others dead (pg. 5)
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Reason why it's far more important to change the culture, not just the laws. |
now i may be out to lunch, but i've read wild west was much safer relatively than today, because everyone had a gun and means of self defence.
truth? |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Reason why it's far more important to change the culture, not just the laws. |
I totally agree with this.
One thing that I know was always taught in the 50s, 60s, and quite possibly the 70s, is how to handle a gun, never to point a gun at someone you don't intend to kill, and other things like this. These things are rarely taught to anyone nor are they heeded either. Huge cultural changes really. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
now i may be out to lunch, but i've read wild west was much safer relatively than today, because everyone had a gun and means of self defence.
truth? |
Well not really. There were still large swaths of the population that didn't own a gun nor know how to use them. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Well not really. There were still large swaths of the population that didn't own a gun nor know how to use them. |
hmmm...
either way, i'm a proponent that people should at least know how to use a gun. it teaches them to respect the weapon, just like whenever you learn to use a chainsaw or whatever potentially dangerous tool
it's like having a knife in your kitchen. you teach your kids not to play stabby stab with a knife.
education is the key
and i'd rather have the means to defend myself and my loves ones if it case i do get attacked, and not having to rely on cops to save my ass (by which time it'd be too damn late)
crimes WILL happen. my life, and that of my family is too darn important to leave to chance |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
now i may be out to lunch, but i've read wild west was much safer relatively than today, because everyone had a gun and means of self defence.
truth? |
I've never seen a study on that, and I don't even believe there are any. Still, even if that was the case (which I seriously doubt), the social environment was so different from ours, I find it hard to believe it is relevant nowadays. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
hmmm...
either way, i'm a proponent that people should at least know how to use a gun. it teaches them to respect the weapon, just like whenever you learn to use a chainsaw or whatever potentially dangerous tool
it's like having a knife in your kitchen. you teach your kids not to play stabby stab with a knife.
education is the key
and i'd rather have the means to defend myself and my loves ones if it case i do get attacked, and not having to rely on cops to save my ass (by which time it'd be too damn late)
crimes WILL happen. my life, and that of my family is too darn important to leave to chance |
Quite honestly, I don't disagree with this one bit. |
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| Tranceporter99 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
It depends on the context quite a lot. But I don't think I'd have a gun at hand if children were around, and go look for something certainly isn't among the things I'd ever do in an emergency, specially if people were being shot while I looked for the gun and, worse yet, my so-called self-defence could accidentally hit an innocent (or, also, I could simply miss and supply the criminal one extra weapon).
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you didn't answer my question. so I guess you don't believe in self defense. I also don't understand what you mean by context. you can't be naive to believe in "context" a bad guy means to do harm, you have the ability to act. thats all there is. I have small children around, as do many gun owners, gun accidents can be avoided through a myriad of actions. As to accidentally shooting someone in the course of putting someone (like this guy) down is better then just letting 8 people die. I am not die-hard pro-gun, and I don't mean to sound like an ass; but yet again anti-gun advocates haven't come up with an answer. the world is very dangerous whever you go, that much is obvious.
| quote: | Originally posted by Sh!fty
Excuse me for my rude language,... but are you a ing retard? :rolleyes:
The speed of you running upstairs to get your gun is: 7 m/s
The speed of the bullet catching up on you is: 896 m/s
The million dollar question is: who will win the race? :o |
yes, it always happens like this:rolleyes:. In my house there are multiple ways of getting upstairs/downstairs. regardless of the situation, I'll be damned if I sat by and let this happen, knowing full well I had the ability to stop it. would you honestly run in fear, leaving your loved ones behind? I am not very courageous, in fact I am a huge . But when it comes to the safety of others, ones I love, I will do things I wouldn't normally do to protect them. |
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| Taranis |
But guys if he hadn't had a gun he would have just killed 8 people with a knife or a baseball bat!
Clearly the solution is 'more' guns. If the 8 year old girl had had a gun on her she could have shot him first. We need to arm all the children asap. |
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| Tranceporter99 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Taranis
But guys if he hadn't had a gun he would have just killed 8 people with a knife or a baseball bat!
Clearly the solution is 'more' guns. If the 8 year old girl had had a gun on her she could have shot him first. We need to arm all the children asap. |
why is it always an extreme? Where is logic and reason? I don't think any gun advocate would suggest or support arming an 8 year old. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tranceporter99
you didn't answer my question. so I guess you don't believe in self defense. |
Far from that, there are dozens of way to thwart this kind of attack. I just don't think that going anywhere else to get a gun would be the smartest thing to do. How many lives do you think you could save after you got the gun? By then, even the family cat would've been shot.
And, by context, I mean "what the house was like", "where the people were at", and so on.
| quote: | Originally posted by Tranceporter99
I am not die-hard pro-gun, and I don't mean to sound like an ass; but yet again anti-gun advocates haven't come up with an answer. |
Well, what if that guy couldn't get a gun because it's too expensive even on the black market? There would be no need for yet another gun, in the first place, and there would be no need for this suicidal arms race.
| quote: | Originally posted by Taranis
Clearly the solution is 'more' guns. If the 8 year old girl had had a gun on her she could have shot him first. We need to arm all the children asap. |
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| MacGuffin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
I've never seen a study on that, and I don't even believe there are any. Still, even if that was the case (which I seriously doubt), the social environment was so different from ours, I find it hard to believe it is relevant nowadays. |
The NRA released a study on it. :p
Why do tragic killings threads always have to turn into a gun debate? |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by MacGuffin
The NRA released a study on it. :p |
Link?
| quote: | Originally posted by MacGuffin
Why do tragic killings threads always have to turn into a gun debate? |
Because, unlike the demise of trance music, we haven't reached a consensus on this issue :D |
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