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2009 Formula 1 Thread (pg. 8)
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| Geoffb3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Intangible
I just called you to tell you that!!
Way to NOT pick up your phone
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Happy April Fools
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| Intangible |
| quote: | Originally posted by mute79
lol, brawn's camp isn't big enough to hold hamilton's ego
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| El K Dee |
| quote: | | it has been reported that a portion of the money previously tagged for F1 will now be used to purchase a fleet of small fishing vessels off the coast of Newfoundland. |
:stongue: :stongue: :stongue: |
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| Intangible |
This is almost getting confusing now...
Hamilton gets stripped of his 3rd place - truli gets the points
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlin...402110240.shtml
| quote: | | A statement issued by the stewards on Thursday evening confirmed that Hamilton and McLaren Mercedes "acted in a manner prejudicial to the conduct of the event by providing evidence deliberately misleading to the stewards." |
Once again McLaren lies/cheats :whip:
Looks like no points for Hamilton at all :) |
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| Orko |
| Hamilton waved Trulli through, I was baffled that Trulli got the penalty to begin with. |
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| mute79 |
| lulz @ toyota for electing not to challenge the ruling in the first place.. trulli must've been super pissed |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by mute79
lulz @ toyota for electing not to challenge the ruling in the first place.. trulli must've been super pissed |
After getting the boot from quali, I'm sure they were not looking to push their luck. Toyota must be desperate now that Honda (brawn) have results. They will take some solace in the fact that Honda, their main car rival, will not be getting credit now, but the bosses back in Japan must be pushing for some real results. Toyota has spent just as much money as McLaren and Ferrari in the last 5 years, with absolutely nothing to show for it. |
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| mute79 |
| what you just said tells me that they've got management |
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| pmoisse |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
Hamilton waved Trulli through, I was baffled that Trulli got the penalty to begin with. |
Exactly, but the issue from the stewards now is that Hamilton didn't say that he waved Trulli past and that he had no communication with the team regarding the team telling Hamilton to let Trulli past and that they would sort it out with the stewards.
He tried to grab a shady extra position and got caught for it. He could have had a good 4th place but now he gets a well deserved DFL for being an idiot and lying to the stewards. |
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| stren |
| quote: | Originally posted by mute79
lulz @ toyota for electing not to challenge the ruling in the first place.. trulli must've been super pissed |
As we have found out after Spa 08 controversy, such appeals over such penalties are inadmissible, so it made no sense to challenge the ruling. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by stren
As we have found out after Spa 08 controversy, such appeals over such penalties are inadmissible, so it made no sense to challenge the ruling. |
And the next upcoming appeal has nothing to do with the rules at all. If Brawn smoke the field again, then they may very well loose the appeal on April 14th for their diffusers. I hope they get to keep them, they worked their asses off, and deserve the advantage.
Really good editorial on PF1 about all this court business:
| quote: | Why PF1 Is Still Using The Word 'Allegedly'
The FIA have once again played with F1's results, meaning to the average fan there is not point in watching the race - you can rather tune in a week later to find what result the FIA have chosen...
* This is a disaster for the image of the sport - if not the sport itself.
As a described sport, F1 is an activity that should be won and lost in a sporting arena. A courtroom is not part of that arena and if the men in suits are to rewrite the results of a sporting occasion then it should only be as a last resort, with reluctance and in the most extreme of circumstances.
The problem F1 has in maintaining its claim to still be regarded as a sport is that, having set the tone for interference and revision on Saturday night in Melbourne when both Toyotas were excluded from qualifying, two separate changes to Sunday's result have since been forthcoming. And a third may yet follow with a FIA hearing due on April 14 to consider the legality of 'The Diffuser Three'.
What sort of sport can this claim to be? F1 seems intent on falling over a cliff into deep and dark waters.
* PF1 made a similar observation when Hamilton was excluded from the Belgian GP on the opinion of three stewards. It also lamented the contempt with which F1 supporters had been treated by a three-paragraph statement that the FIA deemed sufficient for the task of both informing and explaining their ruling.
Seven months later, nothing's changed, nothing's been learnt.
Once again, F1 supporters are floundering in the dark, feeding on pathetic scraps. The latest missive from the stewards' room tells us of disqualification, cites the relevant clause of the rulebook and claims the crime of 'misleading evidence'. But nothing else. What this misleading evidence is (or was) remains a great and unacceptable unknown. Read closely, the stewards' statement is vague on whether it was Hamilton or McLaren (or both) who provided the misleading evidence.
If the FIA, through their race stewards, are to tamper retrospectively with race results then they have a duty, as custodians off the sport, to provide full explanations; and as followers of the sport, F1 fans have a right to expect as much.
Instead, we're still as much as in the dark as we were in Spa last year. In the absence of clarity, a dark cloud hangs over F1 and a febrile atmosphere in which conjecture, paranoia and slander can pervade has been allowed to fester.
* "The Stewards having considered the new elements presented to them from the 2009 Australian Formula One Grand Prix, consider that driver No 1 Lewis Hamilton and the competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes acted in a manner prejudicial to the conduct of the event by providing evidence deliberately misleading to the Stewards at the hearing on Sunday 29th March 2009, a breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code."
In the absence of further information, the invetable reading of that statement will be the conclusion that the FIA have adjudged Hamilton and/or McLaren to be akin to a liar. And that's putting it mildly.
Even beyond the obvious implications of that judgement from a sporting perspective, the repercussions of such a ruling are massive. To question a man's integrity is one thing; to damn it is quite another. This story will not end here. Given the damage this ruling will apply to Hamilton's reputation both as a sportsman and a man, it can not end here.
If the FIA is willing to make such a judgement then it is beholden upon them to permit Hamilton an attempt to clear his name (if this is what he chooses to do). Even if they do not, they may have no choice but to defend their ruling in another type of court room.
* And it is for that reason that the FIA have no option but to issue full transcripts and recordings of their two hearings as well as explain, definitively, what exactly persuaded them to conclude that Hamilton and/or McLaren had provided misleading evidence.
As far as PF1 is concerned, and we're not an especially righteous website, Hamilton and McLaren have been found guilty of allegedly providing misleading evidence. Until evidence is provided that proves the FIA's case, anything less would break one of the most fundamental principles in law.
http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,189...5133601,00.html |
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| El K Dee |
| thanks to toyota and trulli, bobby and dan, watch out im in the lead :D |
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