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Dennis Ferrer - Hey Hey [Objektivity] (pg. 6)
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
*sigh*
I'm not defending "my argument" because I never had one to begin with. None of us are trying to prove that longer samples are not needed, all that's being said by idoru, Mark Anthony and myself is that there are other alternatives and that they only require that someone is not that ing lazy while shopping.
I didn't quote your whole post because it was not needed to prove my point, that ending your internet discussions with "check mate" is pretty damn pathetic. |
Well obviously, the whole idea has flown over your head. If you could comprehend what was being said, you would see that the idea is not so that I could have an extra minute of sample. It is for thousands of people who use BP, the Labels, the Artists, whoever uses it. Anyhow, if Beatport is smart, and i'm sure they are, they will sooner or later get samples up to 3 minutes or more. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'd like longer Beatport samples. Beatport has the largest catalogue out there, and I'm often buying obscure stuff that you can't find on Youtube or elsewhere. Two minute samples may be cool if you're listening to loopy tech house nonsense, but the tracks I like visit a lot of places in 8-10 minutes and I'm often left wishing for longer and more representative samples. I've bought a few tracks that I've been dissatisfied with because of small Beatport samples.
The sample sizes have gone up, though, and I expect them to go up again in the near future. |
Yah longer samples on the site used most would nice for just about every reason, hence Woscar, Idoru, Mark Anthony would not agree. If Woscar disagrees, by default you know you're onto something. :stongue:
Corporations should ask his opinion on ideas.
So Woscar...is this a GOOD idea or a BAD idea?
The second he formulates "N..." DONE we got it, roll with it, all cylinders go, GO GO GO. Buy Supplies. Hire PR firm. Call China, we want production and shipments ASAP. haha. |
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| woscar |
Your faux intellectualism is getting really old. If there's anyone who can't read, comprehend, and post (in that order), it's you buddy. Can you please quote the post where I said I understood your argument as being all about you getting longer samples just for yourself?
Anyways, if this is how you feel, put it in BP's suggestion box. Even though you're an innovator, I'm certain that they have already received 184206274302 e-mails asking for the same thing. It so happens to be more complicated than what you might think. Adding just one extra minute to their samples translates into increasing their web storage and bandwidth allocated for samples by 50%. Do the math on what 50% of data storage and bandwidth for over 1,000,000 tracks is. It's pretty ing big. And guess what? That also means higher costs, which would end up on either tracks being more expensive or labels and producers getting a smaller cut on track sales.
Of course, they can begin implementing it just with new releases just like they did when they added higher quality samples in terms of bitrate and cover art, but that would only be a very partial solution, wouldn't it?
Edit: , is this ironic :stongue:
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Yah longer samples on the site used most would nice for just about every reason, hence Woscar, Idoru, Mark Anthony would not agree. If Woscar disagrees, by default you know you're onto something. :stongue:
Corporations should ask his opinion on ideas.
So Woscar...is this a GOOD idea or a BAD idea?
The second he formulates "N..." DONE we got it, roll with it, all cylinders go, GO GO GO. Buy Supplies. Hire PR firm. Call China, we want production and shipments ASAP. haha. |
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| Guest |
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
ending your internet discussions with "check mate" is pretty damn pathetic. |
I actually thought that was pretty funny. |
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| woscar |
| Of course you did. |
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| Guest |
| btw I only use beatport so often, but is there a person who decides which part of the mp3 to sample or it completely automated? Seems like it would be a lot of overhead to pay someone to pick out the best part of a track to sample |
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| Kismet7 |
Obviously woscar, by telling me to go to another site, or to youtube, you neglected the idea that this is for everyone, not just me, even though I made clear its for the benefit of labels, artists, and DJs. So for who was your reasoning to go to another site outside of Beatport? Because now you're flip flopping. So if it wasnt for me, who was your birlliant "idea" for? Every BP user? That puts you in a worse position lol.
And you obviously did not comprehend (surprise?) my idea that would handle the storage and streaming issue. The samples would default 2 minutes, with 1 minute and 3 minute samples.
Why would costs go up? With 2 minute samples they're operating at low costs, and have been for a long time. 1 extra minute would not add enough to rise costs enough to have to raise prices. Besides BP probably has one of the sweetest deals of any distributor. Electronic Labels and Artists have been very charitable. |
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| woscar |
| It doesn't seem very arbitrary to me. Open up a few random samples and you will notice that more than 90% of them end right a few bars short of the part where a breakdown ends. So they either have someone choosing the samples very badly or they have some software that analyzes waveforms and automatically rips the samples based on that criteria. :p |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Guest
btw I only use beatport so often, but is there a person who decides which part of the mp3 to sample or it completely automated? Seems like it would be a lot of overhead to pay someone to pick out the best part of a track to sample |
Its kinda obvious they pick out the sample points, like I said, they picked out nearly perfect sample points for my release. So for anyone who thinks i'm mentioning this because of my release, couldnt be far from the truth, they did well on mine. As usual, i'm talking for benefit of the industry, including Beatport. My gripe isnt purely the placement of the sample, but the length, I think more needs to be heard from the samples, and with that, the sample point would be less of a miss as well. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| The cynic in me thinks that they deliberately pick the parts that misrepresent crap tracks. I hate it when the sample is mostly comprised of a breakdown. You hear the whole teasing build-up and just as it's about to pay off, the sample ends and you're left guessing. I've heard some samples that are just breakdown with no beats. The track could be ing ambient for all I know. |
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| woscar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Obviously woscar, by telling me to go to another site, or to youtube, you neglected the idea that this is for everyone, not just me, even though I made clear its for the benefit of labels, artists, and DJs. So for who was your reasoning to go to another site outside of Beatport? Because now you're flip flopping. So if it wasnt for me, who was your birlliant "idea" for? Every BP user? That puts you in a worse position lol. |
*sigh*
Sometimes I forget just how frustrating it is to try to have an argument with an imbecile.
You often recur to faux intellectuallism and like to tell people that they are idiots by telling them to go back and read the thread using big words and phrases like "neglecting to comprehend", which I find very ironic in itself, seeing how you should take your own advice.
First of all, nobody told you to go to another site. It was just a suggestion that idoru through out there based on his personal tune-shopping habits. A suggestion that Mark Anthony, myself, and others agreed with because it happens to be in line with our own habits as well.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7 [QUOTE]
And you obviously did not comprehend (surprise?) my idea that would handle the storage and streaming issue. The samples would default 2 minutes, with 1 minute and 3 minute samples. |
So, your solution is to have 3 different samples of 3 different lengths? I'm not really sure of the logistics of that, but I think that would require even MORE storage space, as they would need to have 3 different samples per track, totalling 6 minutes. Might as well just provide a sample for the whole track.
DJDownload and whatpeopleplay have a similar system to what you are suggesting and it allows users to "drop the needle" anywhere they want on the track and get a one minute sample. If you want to listen to another minute, you just click on another part of the track. It's possible to sample the whole track this way. Now this would take care of the need for having 3 samples of different lengths issue I mentioned above, but as far as storage is concerned it would still increase the space by 50% of what they already have. Other stores are able to get away with this sort of system because their catalog isn't anywhere near the size of Beatport's.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Why would costs go up? With 2 minute samples they're operating at low costs, and have been for a long time. 1 extra minute would not add enough to rise costs enough to have to raise prices. Besides BP probably has one of the sweetest deals of any distributor. Electronic Labels and Artists have been very charitable. |
Probably isn't much of an argument, is it? |
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| woscar |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
The cynic in me thinks that they deliberately pick the parts that misrepresent crap tracks. I hate it when the sample is mostly comprised of a breakdown. You hear the whole teasing build-up and just as it's about to pay off, the sample ends and you're left guessing. I've heard some samples that are just breakdown with no beats. The track could be ing ambient for all I know. |
Not only crap tracks, but tracks in general. :p
I see how that would happen more often with Armada tracks with their 6 minute breakdowns and all. |
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