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It would take a month to correct all the stupid people have said in this thread.
To the people wondering how this guy could "be a member of this forum for so long and not know anything about synths"... your answer is "this thread".
I'll never understand why people insist on giving others advice regarding things they themselves don't know a thing about. It's as obvious to everyone who has a clue as it would be to NASA if I tried to convince them that I was an astronaut.
Unfortunately, I doubt it will ever improve here. For every poster here I see making sense, there seem to be 50 more who will get angry and tell that person they're wrong.
It's a good indicator of this scene as a whole though. Look at the music being released, for example. If these people weren't stuck in some kind of circle jerk where each one gets 2 minutes to receive praise from all the others (and is expected to give praise back in return), maybe the ty producers would start to weed themselves out.
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| DjStephenWiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Existo22
Stephen in all honesty when you are learning the ropes of production, sound design and mixing yourself don't come here with an attitude like ''what the why isn't the whole world telling him to get the super awesome great virus synth coz you just gonna look silly |
No...I think this makes my comment hold even more water since I was in his shoes a few months ago as far as hardware goes. The guy doesn't even know he needed an interface and you want him to buy an LP and JV?
I'm sorry but I think that is very dumb advice. Just my opinion. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
I can't speak to the JV, but the LP is easy to set up and dead simple to use. Honestly if someone could not figure out how to set up an LP with audio interface and make some basic patches within a few hours, he should probably not be spending money on a hardware synth at all, let alone a Virus with all its programming options.
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
Well he did do the research, so you can't knock him for that. |
Clearly our definition of research differs then. If you've spent months researching a synth or multiple synths and can't be sure if and how they will connect to your computer, then you're doing it wrong. |
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| beniii |
| ^^ agreed, or he could have gone to his local music store and seen one for himself. Doesnt have to be the one his buying, but fck would have helped him out a bit. |
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| DjStephenWiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Clearly our definition of research differs then. If you've spent months researching a synth or multiple synths and can't be sure if and how they will connect to your computer, then you're doing it wrong. |
Which is exactly why he made this thread??? LOL
He openly admits and asks for help regarding this topic. He was probably focused on sound, how it would fit his needs, who knows. The bottom line is he asked for help because he wasn't sure how it all connected and worked. That is the main reason why I stressed getting the Virus so much. He will learn a lot from the Snow he bought and should make some great sounds with it as well.
I guess it's a matter of opinion. Some think he shouldn't be getting any hardware because he doesn't know how to connect it which makes them think he didnt "study" enough, or whatever. Some think (like me) he should get something that will integrate easily in his work flow and provide a work horse and teach him a lot, and others think he needs to get an audio interface, an LP, and a JV. (This combination would be out of his price range if you paid attention. JV is $200 and you get no cards. It's bread and butter ROM patches from 2 decades ago. LP, getting a stage II is the way to go not a used one off eBay that still is going to break his price range after you factor in an audio interface that isn't a piece of )
Excuse me for suggesting a practical and efficient idea to him. I apologize that he listened and bought the Snow. Hopefully he won't get on here and talk about how bad it sucks because afterall he has no business having one because he didn't study it enough. That, and he needs to be getting an LP, an audio interface, and a JV (get some ROM cards while you're at it. Those bread and butter sounds are impossible to find elsewhere) even though he clearly wanted a single polyphonic synth to begin with.
Excuse me for getting the red-ass over this but people need to start reading the original posts and looking at the big picture. This topic is a prime example of it. I mentioned the Virus because I already personally knew he was interested in getting one.
Finally, I'll bet any amount of money to whoever wants to bet that he will be more than satisfied with his Snow and the choice he made. So the thread served its purpose but didn't require stupid banter that should have never begun in the first place and wouldn't have if people would have just thought a bit about the big picture. If somebody declares they're buying something and you can't stop them, why start an argument about how much, or how little, research they did? Why suggest an expensive 1 voice analog synth when the person is clearly looking for a polyphonic VA. Makes absolutely zero sense to me. Not to mention the fact that they should get a JV too, which will require an audio interface, extra cables, etc. I am almost certain what he paid for the Snow was at the brink of his budget.
Here is a question....
Why would you NOT suggest Robby get a Virus TI after he has made it plainly obvious that he is going to buy a polyphonic VA? Some answers with substance would be cool too. The "everybody has one" is getting old. The Virus has thousands among thousands of presets alone plus endless sound design capabilities. :whip: |
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| Existo22 |
Guys you are being too harsh here :D
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
No...I think this makes my comment hold even more water since I was in his shoes a few months ago as far as hardware goes. The guy doesn't even know he needed an interface and you want him to buy an LP and JV?
I'm sorry but I think that is very dumb advice. Just my opinion. |
Small analog mixer. 2 synths. Connect synth 1 to mixer channel one and synth 2 to mixer channel 2. Connect the output of the mixer to the souncard input. Make patch. Hit record. Real ing rocket science here.
Stephen a few weeks ago you were on here raving about the korg radias and telling everybody to get a korg radias because it is great. ''I researched a lot this synth is truly excellent'' A few weeks later you sell the super awesome korg radias on ebay and tell people on your auction you are getting out of production and don't need this (hehe) and buy a virus synth. You come here on your second hardware synth like you have discovered america and post as if the virus is the only viable option at that price point when I can name around 50 synth combinations at that price that will completely on the virus on every level. A few weeks back you were talking about chaining 2 oberheim matrix 1000 units to make them stereo. Hehe...
This thread would be funny over at the gearslutz forum. On the one hand you would have all these middle aged gear dealers agreeing with you looking to make several hundreds of dollars worth of commission from selling the very profitable software based virus synths (shhhh ) and on the other hand you would get all the people who are building their own synths lauging their ass off hardcore.
I mean you should have got the hint even the folks on the TA boards are calling you a noob.
My new hero has caught the virus bug. World please recognize the awesomeness of the virus synth. And if anybody wanna buy one brand new I'll hook you up drop me a Pm. Hehe. |
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| Ry Thomas |
| I'd say get a Juno 106, easier to use than most synths, you can get some fantastic bargains, and you'll be in the 'analogue club' and you can make all your buddies jealous;) |
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| DjStephenWiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Existo22
Guys you are being too harsh here :D
Small analog mixer. 2 synths. Connect synth 1 to mixer channel one and synth 2 to mixer channel 2. Connect the output of the mixer to the souncard input. Make patch. Hit record. Real ing rocket science here.
Stephen a few weeks ago you were on here raving about the korg radias and telling everybody to get a korg radias because it is great. ''I researched a lot this synth is truly excellent'' A few weeks later you sell the super awesome korg radias on ebay and tell people on your auction you are getting out of production and don't need this (hehe) and buy a virus synth. You come here on your second hardware synth like you have discovered america and post as if the virus is the only viable option at that price point when I can name around 50 synth combinations at that price that will completely on the virus on every level. A few weeks back you were talking about chaining 2 oberheim matrix 1000 units to make them stereo. Hehe...
This thread would be funny over at the gearslutz forum. On the one hand you would have all these middle aged gear dealers agreeing with you looking to make several hundreds of dollars worth of commission from selling the very profitable software based virus synths (shhhh ) and on the other hand you would get all the people who are building their own synths lauging their ass off hardcore.
I mean you should have got the hint even the folks on the TA boards are calling you a noob.
My new hero has caught the virus bug. World please recognize the awesomeness of the virus synth. And if anybody wanna buy one brand new I'll hook you up drop me a Pm. Hehe. |
The Korg Radias is a great synth. I don't know why you would bring that up because I never said it wasn't a great synth? I'd recommend it to any novice (not amateur) looking for a bang-for-the-buck synth. I originally did plan to quit using hardware because I felt the Korg was slowing me down despite its great sound. I checked going prices and saw that I could actually make money (and I did) by selling it, so I went ahead and sold it and can always get another. After selling it I was having a chat with a friend and talking to him about it and was telling him about how the timbre assigning confused me (it has a steep learning curve, which I also said) although looking back in retrospect it's funny how easy it is. This person mentioned a Virus TI Snow so I started digging around, reading articles, yada yada (bored at work) - After a lot of "studying" it looked like a Virus TI is what I needed to get to start so I went ahead and snagged a desktop TI for $1,000 shipped to my front door. So far so good. The way it integrates is insane. I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to say that programs like Access Control will become a standard with all synths. Pure genius and to think the technology really isn't even that new! It sounds great so no complaints there. It has not failed me in anything I've tried to do yet. I prefer the knobs much more versus the radias as they are big and I have big hands. The only thing I think could be better would be a higher resolution screen. Don't get me wrong, you can read it without a problem but a little LCD would be nice. Oh and the ring mod on the Radias seemed much more powerful than the ring mod on the TI but I still need to play with it more.
Yea, I am still considering chaining two MX 1000's to create a stereo FIELD. Wanna know why? Because I have the interface to do it and I know how, but guess what. This isn't about me and my purchases. It's about Robby which some people are having a really hard time grasping. Do not mistake my plea for Robby to get a Virus because I think the Virus is better than the Radias. You are making that inclination and it has nothing to do with it. Again, you don't get it. It's not about me. It's about what is best for Robby. You STILL have not offered up a better solution.
50 synths huh? Go ahead and start naming what would be a better beginning synth for Robby than a Virus TI Snow. I've been asking and waiting for an answer to this question for quite some time now. |
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| palm |
| one of the reasons he went for Virus is because of its TI/USB function which eliminate the whole audio-interface need. At start he wanted a Nord but discovered he would need an interface too if he went that way. Id rather get a nord compared to a little phatty because moogs are damn limited. But they connect the same way, through an interface which he didnt want ATM and i totaly understand that. Midi sucks ass, its a technology from the 70s and should be ing replaced by USB on all synths ASAP (or in addition ofcourse, case u wanna sync with other stuff that a computer). One of the biggest reasons i got rid of all my hardware was because of midi. It felt like i was operating a 1950-army-radio. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
Maybe you should get a new computer monitor instead and pay Lolo for some lessons instead. Maybe he can help with that crappy sounding synth problem. |
you will get much more out of paying lolo for lessons than wasting it ona synth |
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| Existo22 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
The way it integrates is insane. I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to say that programs like Access Control will become a standard with all synths. |
hehe... The access control is just a small part of the emagic soundriver editor librarian. The licenced it from them before apple bought off emagic. What a pure genious an editor librarian program is to somebody who just discovered the concept. I was amazed too back in the day when I connected the jx-8p and I could use the mouse to control it with out the pg 800. Before that I used to go in the enviroment to create a custom sysex controller for each of the parameter of any of my outboard synths.
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
Pure genius and to think the technology really isn't even that new! |
No . It is called an editor librarian and editor librarians have been around trust me. ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
Yea, I am still considering chaining two MX 1000's to create a stereo FIELD. Wanna know why? Because I have the interface to do it and I know how.
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A stereo field with a stereo oberheim matrix 1000? :wtf:
hehehe. It's not your fault.
Synths back in the day had one output. You would hook that out to a mixer and track it. Around the early 80s the dx7 came about that was an all digital synth. It took over the whole market because it was so much more profitable than the 70s discrete analog synths. So manufacturers started producing synths with all digital components to save money making them. This prety much ended the great era of analog synths and now the old discete analogs are demanding rediculous amounts of money on the second hand market. There was one problem though. It just did not sound right. So to cover up the fact that the synth had an overall weak sound and sounded flat and tiny they would add all sorts of effects to the output section to try and make things sound a bit better. Well stereo based effects need a stereo output. That is where the stereo output came to be. You do not create a stereo field with the synth noob you place the synth in the stereo field in the mixing stage or double it to make it wider but I don't expect a noob on his second synth to know any of that so I am not going to go hard on you here. After all it would be way too cynical to suggest you buy 5 matrix 1000 units to create a 5.1 souround synth. :stongue:
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
50 synths huh? Go ahead and start naming what would be a better beginning synth for Robby than a Virus TI Snow. I've been asking and waiting for an answer to this question for quite some time now.
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I will start with the nord lead he was considering.
Yes nords have a better digital sound engine than the virus synths.
They also come with a nice knob pannel to tweak the parameters hands on instead of a box with flashy lights and no expensive knob pannel.
Give me that over the virus any day.
A dave smith synth.
A mogue rogue and a juno 106.
A korg mono poly and a jv 1080
A ittle phatty and a roland jv 2080
An emu 6400 ultra and a s electronics synth.
I could go on forever naming synths keyboars sound modules that represent a far greater value for $1000 than the access virus synth no knobs version but I make good money selling them so if any of you want one hit me up and I'll hook you up.
If the late 90s early 00s fx overload PPK-tatu-all-the-things-she-said-all-the-things-she-said sound http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1agzp_PM-Z4is is something you like, a virus synth would fit the bill quite nicely just don't come on here and present it as the only sane option and insult the people who know a thing or two more than you about how these things are made. You seem to know it all so I will bow out this thread and let you the expert have the last word.
Robby congrats on your new synth.
I hope it helps you get the sound you are after :) |
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