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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
Yea, I am still considering chaining two MX 1000's to create a stereo FIELD. Wanna know why? Because I have the interface to do it and I know how, but guess what. This isn't about me and my purchases. It's about Robby which some people are having a really hard time grasping. Do not mistake my plea for Robby to get a Virus because I think the Virus is better than the Radias. You are making that inclination and it has nothing to do with it. Again, you don't get it. It's not about me. It's about what is best for Robby. You STILL have not offered up a better solution.
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You made a thread on this already, in which I already told you why this is absolutely moronic. However, you persist (like DJ Robby Rox) in the face of blatant disproof. Let me recap.
1. All synths are mono unless they have stereo effects or filters. Matrix 1000s have neither, so they will never be stereo and are purely mono. Do you understand that the difference between a mono synth and a stereo synth is as simple as one of them having a stereo delay effect tacked onto the end? This is exactly the same as putting a delay plugin after the synth. Prior to this, the signal chain is entirely mono.
2. Two mono synths do not create a stereo synth.
3. Two mono synths do not create a "stereo field", they just create a ed up mash of phasing.
4. Stereo "widening" isn't some god feature to make things sound amazing. Stereo widening is just the process of delaying or modifying the phase of the side channel, relative to the center.
6. (Most importantly) you will never get a "12 voice stereo synth" out of 2 Matrixs. If you had 12 voices active, you would end up with some notes playing on the left channel and some notes playing on the right. This will obviously sound like utter and cause all kinds of problems in your mix. Instead, what you will end up with is the same 6 voices playing through two mono channels instead of one. This is exactly the same as just making an extra "in" channel in your DAW. Totally ing moronic.
Oberheim provide the ability to chain synths so that you can achieve a 12 voice MONO synth.
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
Maybe I'm not getting my point across here...........
2 mx1000's
1 mx1000 on one track, 1 on the other. Take a send and send a widening/stereo effect to each track and wet it to desire.
You now have 12 analog voices for around $600 and they are not sounding like the original mono synth if it were on its own.
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Your understanding of synths and basic audio engineering (stereo) is completely flawed.
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
This isn't rocket science guys. |
...and yet you just don't get it.
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
I got this idea from somebody else who had done it and said it was a beast. I don't see what the problem is here and why people want to debate what I said above. You can't debate that because everybody knows its not just possible but most likely very kick ass. |
Just because someone else did it does not mean it is a good thing to do, it just means there is someone equally uneducated in the world.
Don't listen to me and waste your money. In doing so, you will learn a few things about synths and basic music production. At this point, you will come back to this thread and think to yourself, ", I was a dumbass". Godspeed. :haha: |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
6. (Most importantly) you will never get a "12 voice stereo synth" out of 2 Matrixs. If you had 12 voices active, you would end up with some notes playing on the left channel and some notes playing on the right. |
This is correct. If you put it in stereo, it will just be two sets of six mono voices, not "twelve voices in stereo."
Stephen, I'm not sure what you mean about "creating a stereo field" in the first place. Do you mean programming the two synths slightly differently and then panning them? It seems kind of pointless just to have both of them programmed the same, because as echosystem already pointed out if you're going to do that you will either have phase issues or different notes playing out each side, neither of which will sound very good.
I guess you could try detuning them from each other or something. You wouldn't even have to pan both of them completely left and completely right, you could pan one half left and the other half right and have them mix in the middle. It might sound nice but it still won't be a "twelve voice stereo synth," just two six voice mono synths. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
Well update:
UPS is a bunch of lazy bastards. My snow has been sitting in some truck 10mins from my house since wednesday night, because APPARENTLY UPS not only doesn't work thursday for thanksgiving, but they don't work black friday, OR saturday. So I get to wait till tuesday now because monday I don't have a minute all day to leave work or school.
This really pisses me off, thanks for the free shipping novamusik. If I knew it was gonna take 7 days to get here I would have gladly paid for priority.
I know its really noones fault, just bad timing for the holidays, but it really is so aggravating to know my virus is sitting in some truck, doing NOTHING, 10mins from my house and I can't do a damn thing about it.. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
UPS is a bunch of lazy bastards....APPARENTLY UPS not only doesn't work thursday for thanksgiving, but they don't work black friday, OR saturday....
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UPS sucks. It pains me to say it because I have a family member who works for them, but I go out of my way to avoid doing business with companies that don't offer an alternative whenever possible because they're so damn slow. I've even paid for overnight shipping and it took them 2-3 days to deliver, but trying to get a refund is just a total PITA and not worth the time/frustration IMO. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| Not to mention lots of them used trackers back in the day. ;) |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Not to mention lots of them used trackers back in the day. ;) |
Including yours truely a lot still do :) |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Well update:
UPS is a bunch of lazy bastards. My snow has been sitting in some truck 10mins from my house since wednesday night, because APPARENTLY UPS not only doesn't work thursday for thanksgiving, but they don't work black friday, OR saturday. So I get to wait till tuesday now because monday I don't have a minute all day to leave work or school.
This really pisses me off, thanks for the free shipping novamusik. If I knew it was gonna take 7 days to get here I would have gladly paid for priority.
I know its really noones fault, just bad timing for the holidays, but it really is so aggravating to know my virus is sitting in some truck, doing NOTHING, 10mins from my house and I can't do a damn thing about it.. |
Make the best of it and take the time to read the manual. That way when it arrives you will know exactly how it works and can dive straight in. |
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| doublenegative |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Make the best of it and take the time to read the manual. That way when it arrives you will know exactly how it works and can dive straight in. |
...and read this. It's a good overview of subtractive synth programming....
http://www.virus.info/api/download/...%20in%20English |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
This is correct. If you put it in stereo, it will just be two sets of six mono voices, not "twelve voices in stereo."
Stephen, I'm not sure what you mean about "creating a stereo field" in the first place. Do you mean programming the two synths slightly differently and then panning them? It seems kind of pointless just to have both of them programmed the same, because as echosystem already pointed out if you're going to do that you will either have phase issues or different notes playing out each side, neither of which will sound very good.
I guess you could try detuning them from each other or something. You wouldn't even have to pan both of them completely left and completely right, you could pan one half left and the other half right and have them mix in the middle. It might sound nice but it still won't be a "twelve voice stereo synth," just two six voice mono synths. |
I think what he's trying to achieve is a panned out unison effect where each synth is playing the same patch (almost) but just slightly differently. This might help him achieve a wider effect, like the unison in most soft synths.
personally I think chorus/ensemble effects are great;) |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
I think what he's trying to achieve is a panned out unison effect where each synth is playing the same patch (almost) but just slightly differently. This might help him achieve a wider effect, like the unison in most soft synths.
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We all know what he was trying to achieve, it just doesn't make any sense. This is no different from setting up two IN channels on your DAW, then detuning/panning/whatever. He would be buying a second synth for absolutely no reason. Also, only detuning 2 sources would sound pretty piss weak anyway. You really need 4+ to get anything decent sounding out of unison.
Chaining two Matrixs together is a good idea, because you get a sweet 12 voice mono synth pretty cheap. However, all this half-baked stereo is moronic and he clearly has no idea how stereo actually works. |
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| DjStephenWiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
We all know what he was trying to achieve, it just doesn't make any sense. This is no different from setting up two IN channels on your DAW, then detuning/panning/whatever. He would be buying a second synth for absolutely no reason. Also, only detuning 2 sources would sound pretty piss weak anyway. You really need 4+ to get anything decent sounding out of unison.
Chaining two Matrixs together is a good idea, because you get a sweet 12 voice mono synth pretty cheap. However, all this half-baked stereo is moronic and he clearly has no idea how stereo actually works. |
wrong. i know exactly how it works. the nerd in you just wants to argue (it seems it is 75% of what you do here) because you technically are correct but you know damn well what i'm trying to achieve. i find it funny you rag chaining mx1000's hard and then turn around and say its a good idea. of course you'll predictably say its not the synths but my lack of understanding of stereo and such. yada yada yada. All you want to do is argue. You keep typing, I'll keep buying, and I'll have some really nice analog clips for you where you, nor anyone else, will be able to tell if the sound is mono or not from just listening. You would have everybody here believe it's impossible to take a mono source and turn it into a stereo sound and that's bull.
you seem to like to talk a lot but i am having a hard time finding any work done by you. would really like to hear something produced by you so I can get an idea of how good my productions will be when my synth manuals become my bible. |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
because you technically are correct but you know damn well what i'm trying to achieve. |
I know what you are TRYING to achieve. Emphasis on trying.
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
i find it funny you rag chaining mx1000's hard and then turn around and say its a good idea. |
I never said there was anything wrong with chaining two Matrixs together, I just said YOUR idea is moronic. It still is.
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
where you, nor anyone else, will be able to tell if the sound is mono or not from just listening. You would have everybody here believe it's impossible to take a mono source and turn it into a stereo sound and that's bull. |
:haha:
Please explain to me how you think stereo works. I really want to hear this.
PS. I argue because I'm a good person and I'm trying to save you from your own stupidity... And also just because it's hilarious lolol. |
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