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Tiger Woods seriously hurt in car accident: reports (pg. 12)
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| Dior Homme |
If it wasn't Tiger, it would have been someone else. I guess Tiger should apologize for everything listed.
I can only agree with 3+4 and see your point. Everything else, I don't think Tiger had any plan on doing. That's like saying clubs can increase admission prices because they have charged for larger events prior or have big headliners who have played there previously. Therefore admission prices must stay higher.
If demand goes up so will prices. Its just the way things go. But I don't think he is the worst thing to happen to golf. He's great at what he does and he wins wins and wins. If anyone were him, I don't think they'd let up just cause he's dominating. The fans, media and world will follow him and make whatever they can out of him. So they have a icon, nothing wrong with that. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
lol you sound just like the rest of them music elitists do on this forum when they talk about all the n00blars that listen to EDM now
you elitist!! :whip: |
how am I being an elitist? |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
how am I being an elitist? |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
5. Has created a whole new audience of golfers who have no idea about golf ettiguitte. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dior Homme
If it wasn't Tiger, it would have been someone else. I guess Tiger should apologize for everything listed.
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I don't disagree with you. I don't hate Tiger or anything....I'm just stating how his fame affects me. The PGA would have marketed Phil more if they didn't have Tiger but I don't think Phil would have had the same affect. Tiger opened the world of Golf to so many people who never would have thought to play it....which isn't a bad thing....its just not a good thing for me. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
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There are rules and ettiguette set out in golf and a lot of the people who Idol Tiger and want to play golf don't bother to lern these. I'm not saying I am a better person then they are...just they don't know the rules and don't care to learn them. Simple things like you don't drive golf carts onto the green and you don't talk when someone else is shooting. I could go on and on about the stuff I've seen by people who have said they started golfing because Tiger is so cool. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
I find it interesting how people are afraid to talk about
violence against men (which is more common than you think) and the
different reaction that society is having toward Tiger as opposed to
when Rihanna was beaten up.
Tiger is a douche for running out of the house and getting attacked by his wife? And im sure hed be a douche had he been the one to attack her or even strike her in self defence! |
Agree whole-heartedly!
Far more common than most ppl think... so many unreported cases bc of society's perception of it (ie. the man's a , that he should just ing suck it up essentially) vs. the other way around. Disgusting double standard in perception if you ask me.
Michael Crichton wrote an incredible article on this very topic in the late 80s (i believe it was). Brilliant read!
Ill hafta link you to it if ur interested, Jay. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by 1dawoman
I think society feels it's more acceptable if a woman beats a man than the other way around. Double standard? yes...but there are tons of double standards that exist even today despite efforts of equality. |
That dont make it right, or mean its something we should accept.
| quote: | Originally posted by geroin
i agree with jay
if the tale was the other way around tiger would be in jail atm. |
Definitely.
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Tiger will get a free pass simply because he is tiger.... |
Just like ing Serena Williams did (essentially) over her disgusting and revolving outburst at the US Open this year.
The fine and "probation period" that was handed down to her makes a mockery of the sport of tennis's integrity IMO.
(Not the mention how long it took (till just this past week) for the Open committee to reach this decision too!)
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| jchung52 |
In reponse to:
1- elitist mentality. so golf should be only for those who can afford it, those who are "special" enough to get a tee time? yes it sucks its harder to get tee times but at the same time, more people playing means more chances for better players to emerge thus making golf more exciting and competitive.
2- golf has actually become cheaper which is why there are so many more people playing the game. Look at 20 yrs, 15 yrs, 10 yrs, 5 yrs ago. equipment prices have dropped, access to lower-fee courses has risen, and the popularity has risen because of that. supply and demand: if $300 a round demand is there, supply it but there are more courses that offer $30 rounds than the 300.
3- true but thats the same for any other sport. the "star" player is always the one being shown. if Tiger is making birdies and hitting miracle up and downs, would you not rather watch that vs an 135th ranked player making bogey putts? many say golf is boring to watch. well if the telecast is showing only ty shots, i would turn off the tv too.
4- true however it is not as bad as you make it seem. usually there is some other top 5 player in the field that the media will hoard
5-I would have to say Tiger doesnt have anything to do with the morons who don't have golf etiquette. You don't see Tiger breaking clubs, walking off courses cuz he's pissed off etc. its just the popularity of the game in general that has creating such a diverse population playing the game. you can compare like funky to the edm scene. more popularity = more "idiots" at parties. so its tiesto's (just for sake of argument) fault that the edm scene has gone downhill?
how bout the good things tiger has done:
1)Tiger Woods Foundation- 8000 young persons attend class at the Tiger Woods Learning Center (other things the foundation does: http://www.tigerwoodsfoundation.org/what_we_do.php); the millions tiger has put (yes he has a lot of money but he doesnt have to do this) towards better learning and promoting discipline through golf is quite remarkable
2) breaking down racial barriers
3) promoting discipline (with his work etiquette and ability to focus and remain calm or "bounce back" when a poor shot/mi is made) and respect (to his father/mother especially)
yes i am defending tiger a lot here. i am still apalled by this whole situation but everyone has their faults and im just pointing out how good tiger is in my books (which is also why i think the story is such a frenzy right now) |
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| miljan |
I love golf.
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by jchung52
In reponse to:
1- elitist mentality. so golf should be only for those who can afford it, those who are "special" enough to get a tee time? yes it sucks its harder to get tee times but at the same time, more people playing means more chances for better players to emerge thus making golf more exciting and competitive. |
-> Chemy was asked how Tiger has made the game worse FOR HIM; subsequently, your attempt to rebuff his point with the above argument is simply off base. It is harder for all golfers to get tee times; that is a bad thing for any individual golfer.
| quote: | | 2- golf has actually become cheaper which is why there are so many more people playing the game. Look at 20 yrs, 15 yrs, 10 yrs, 5 yrs ago. equipment prices have dropped, access to lower-fee courses has risen, and the popularity has risen because of that. supply and demand: if $300 a round demand is there, supply it but there are more courses that offer $30 rounds than the 300. |
-> I would love to see you produce some evidence to back up that claim. There has always been value priced equipment around so that's just not a valid argument. The real key is green-fees; the median green fee in the US is $36 dollars today... it was $15 in 1990; I suspect the change in average fees is even more pronounced. Additionally, you cannot use a simple supply and demand argument as the construction of new courses is a regulated activity (environmental concerns) and supply lags behind demand by years due to the high financial and time investments needed in constructing new clubs.
| quote: | | 3- true but thats the same for any other sport. the "star" player is always the one being shown. |
-> usually not to the exclusion of the other players though... certainly not when the "star" player is not in the hunt.
| quote: | | 4- true however it is not as bad as you make it seem. usually there is some other top 5 player in the field that the media will hoard |
-> I believe Chem's argument was that the focus of reporting has shifted to Tiger rather then golf. No one can really contest that argument.
| quote: | | 5-I would have to say Tiger doesnt have anything to do with the morons who don't have golf etiquette. You don't see Tiger breaking clubs, walking off courses cuz he's pissed off etc. its just the popularity of the game in general that has creating such a diverse population playing the game. you can compare like funky to the edm scene. more popularity = more "idiots" at parties. so its tiesto's (just for sake of argument) fault that the edm scene has gone downhill? |
-> I don't think anyone was directely blaming Tiger for bringing those people out; however, his popularity is the catalyst for this and this is a detriment to the game of golf in the eyes of those that were fans of the game pre-Tiger. Much like most of us old-timers hold firm that the rave days were better then the table-service days.
| quote: | how bout the good things tiger has done:
1)Tiger Woods Foundation- 8000 young persons attend class at the Tiger Woods Learning Center (other things the foundation does: http://www.tigerwoodsfoundation.org/what_we_do.php); the millions tiger has put (yes he has a lot of money but he doesnt have to do this) towards better learning and promoting discipline through golf is quite remarkable
2) breaking down racial barriers
3) promoting discipline (with his work etiquette and ability to focus and remain calm or "bounce back" when a poor shot/mi is made) and respect (to his father/mother especially)
yes i am defending tiger a lot here. i am still apalled by this whole situation but everyone has their faults and im just pointing out how good tiger is in my books (which is also why i think the story is such a frenzy right now) |
Again the question put to Chem was what Tiger has done to make the game worse for him; subsequently, none of your arguments on how he made the game better really apply. That said; Tiger is hardly alone in setting up charitable foundations of this ilk, he has broken no racial barriers as there have been black professional golfers going back to at least the 1950s, and I simply don't buy the promoting discipline thing at all given that those who follow Tiger in the gallary and sport all the latest Tiger/Nike gear on the course are generally the least disciplined people on the course.
I don't really give a about what Tiger's personal life and I respect his abilities on the course; however, your points seem more like idol worship then reasonable arguments. |
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| jchung52 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
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ok some of my points were kinda wishy washy. was pretty tired this morn getting into work :p was just trying to throw out some of the good stuff tiger has done (based on personal opinion). also time frame comparison may also be differing our stances
the cost factor: yes i would say i stand corrected as more golfers = less courses and higher costs to play. i was referring more towards equipment costs. i worked at golftown for 2 years (yes doesnt make me an expert :cool:) so i saw first hand the equipment that has become available at a "lower cost". more competition, cheaper materials have made it more accessible to "Start" the game. u can buy a full set of clubs and a bag for 200 bux vs 10-15 yrs ago it would have been double or more
for the racial barriers, fine Sifford would be the one who officially broke down the barrier but Woods has been seen as one who has popularized golf for many cultures. some of these numbers are a little outdated but im sure they can help back me up:
The number of African Americans who played golf at least once climbed from 431,000 in 1991 to 800,000 last year, according to the National Golf Foundation. That's an 86 percent increase over six years.
Article on golf and culture for those who would like some info
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as for tiger as a role model (interpret at ur discretion) link |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by miljan
I love golf.
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Now there's the Golf love, too! :happy2: |
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