You're really blaming the preservation of resources in territories like Alaska on unhinged leftist ideology? Sure, there are environmental concerns, but those are supported only as a mask to the fact that you should exploit others' resources as much as possible before tapping into your own. Agree with it or not, avarice is the building block of empires.
Lews
Bwahaha. You can't seriously be only blaming the left for the fact that we're not plowing down all of our trees and sucking up all of our oil. Blame your Republican friends for that. God to keep our emergency supply in case WWIII breaks out.
Oh, and:
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by The17sss
:stongue: why don't you just ask her if you can stick your tongue in her butt already?
if i thought there was any chance of her saying yes, i would've asked her years ago.
The17sss
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Originally posted by Lilith
So, initiating large scale warfare coming out of taxes is good, public healthcare coming out of taxes is bad?
In the way it is being presented, yes. Because there are so many other ways to do it, but those ways aren't being considered. Just one example, and I'm sure you've heard it many times... but seriously, if car insurance, life insurance, homeowners insurance, etc. can all be purchased from any company in any state from any state, why the hell can't we do that with health insurance? In all those other examples, that blows wide open the opportunity for competition which keeps the costs nice and low.
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Its not about entitlement. It really is about building civic infrastructure and raising up a country where people aren't going bankrupt from having healthcare, missing days off work which injures your economy in the long term.
But it IS about entitlement. That's what the whole program is: one big entitlement. Trust me, our economy is going to be much more severely injured by the introduction of government run health care than it would from people missing work due to injury.
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The simple matter is that-
A: People in your country go bankrupt from medical bills and the government ends up bailing them out anyway.
B: People here don't and we don't have to bail them out.
That is too simplistic; it's not that black and white. Your "free" healthcare isn't free.
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People here don't die from a lack of health care.
People like Banora don't wander the streets with some kind of undiagnosed illness of the heart because they cant afford to see a doctor.
Where is "here"? I don't know where you live, and this is important for my side of the argument. (I thought you lived in the US but I guess not).
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As someone who was forcibly evicted from a country because of a leftist takeover, (something I've mentioned a couple of times before) and annexation of several million dollars worth of assets I had there I think I can quite rightly call you a prick for the leftist comments.
Unlike you I've actually bothered to fight for what I have and not living in a superpower dreamland where reasonable democratic process is taken for granted.
No seriously, you're a complete prick for that. :(
Your backstory would help me understand where you're coming from. I'm sorry to hear about your assets being seized and appropriated for other use. Maybe I didn't physically fight for what I have, but I earned it on my own through hard work.
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Statistically you're paying $5700 a year in health care one way or another due to deregulated health care industry in a self-perpetuating inflation cycle that's forced ordinary citizens out of the scope of coverage... and I'm paying $2800 a year under regulated health care.
You've already said it yourself, it needs reform
I haven't seen a case for an alternative under the Republicans so I guess NO-POLICY just means they're encouraging what is already in effect and for some reason, still think it works properly.
There have been over 12 Republican offered proposals... for the record. You're not seeing them because they are NOT being considered, despite the meaningless words that come out of Obama/Pelosi/Reid's mouthes. The biggest myth in this whole thing is that Republicans are satisfied with the status quo. We all want reform
Halcyon+On+On
NO! YOU'RE ALL THE ENEMY! ALLAHU AKBARRR!!!
Fledz
17, you clearly don't understand how much healthcare costs. You keep talking about how much this is going to cost your economy, yet you have absolutely no idea and no appreciation about how much more it will cost you if you don't introduce "free healthcare".
The17sss
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Originally posted by Fledz
17, you clearly don't understand how much healthcare costs. You keep talking about how much this is going to cost your economy, yet you have absolutely no idea and no appreciation about how much more it will cost you if you don't introduce "free healthcare".
Well, why does it have to be nothing or this bill? You are presenting your point as though there are no other alternatives. I know healthcare costs a lot, and I know it needs to be less. I know that government doesn't produce, and by its nature it only grows and everything it designs ends up costing loads more than originally estimated. We are talking about the most bloated, inefficient government in history being given control over something the size of the entire economy of the U.K. Why are you so optimistic, knowing what you know about entitlement heavy societies? Look at Greece- that's our future.
I'm worried about the costs, as well as government being able to regulate more and more of everything because any issue will be tied to health. I'm also worred about the unintended consequences that are sure to follow.
Fledz
I'm not saying it has to be this particular bill. I don't know it off by heart so I can't comment on it in detail, but I can comment on the mindset that your country seems to have. If you don't change your mindset about how healthcare can and should be, then you will never have a bill that is good enough for everyone.
Lews
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Originally posted by The17sss
But it IS about entitlement. That's what the whole program is: one big entitlement.
Maybe I didn't physically fight for what I have, but I earned it on my own through hard work.
Did you earn being born a white male in America in relatively good health?
Halcyon+On+On
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Originally posted by Fledz
you will never have a bill that is good enough for everyone.
Like that is even a possibility!
Fledz
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Like that is even a possibility!
Well I did say "good enough" not "perfect".
The17sss
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Originally posted by Fledz
I'm not saying it has to be this particular bill. I don't know it off by heart so I can't comment on it in detail, but I can comment on the mindset that your country seems to have. If you don't change your mindset about how healthcare can and should be, then you will never have a bill that is good enough for everyone.
dude, I agree. Healthcare here does need to change... just not like this.
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Originally posted by Lews
Did you earn being born a white male in America in relatively good health?
I don't play identity politics- that's what Democrats do. In America, white people can fail just as easily as anyone else. Just take a gander in most public schools and it becomes quite evident. But that's an intersting comment... because as a white guy, in my business that I run, I routinely lose out on bids for jobs because consideration is given first to minority owned companies. Often, they are not as qualified as they should be but still get that consideration.
