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Heathcare in your country (pg. 7)
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| Meat187 |
| I always was under the impression that the German system is massive crap, but apparently it holds up rather well. |
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| leph555 |
| Thats why all the doctors I know roll in Bentlys |
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| Moral Hazard |
| So, it seems US health care costs nearly double that of most industrialized countries and delivers inferior results for the 84% of US adults who have coverage. Of course it delivers no results for 16% of adults... but who gives a about them because they're minorities and/or poor. |
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| Fledz |
If you're pumping twice as much money into your healthcare than countries with good systems, then it perfectly illustrates how flawed your system is. It's about bloody time they actually tried to fix it.
Never seen that before though Moral, thanks for that. |
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| bananas |
| We care about Heath Ledger very much |
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| Banora |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Have you met a cat by the name of Bill Ashley? You guys would get along great! :gsmile: |
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I dunno, dude, I'm not really into mushrooms or frolicking around outside. |
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| The17sss |
Sorry, but you're an idealistic fool if you believe that. The benefits are delayed for 4 years, but not the taxes, which is how the CBO can come up with that estimate which doesn't take into account the changes yet to be made in the bill. You know it can't be correct because a government designed program is basically a promise that relies on discipline, which government NEVER has. It would be idiotic to believe that an administration whose economic projections have never come close to reality can suddenly predict the costs of the most enormous program it has ever produced.
Today's Congress and President can't predict discipline for future elected officials either... 20 years down the road? LOL! Like I said, look at the history of entitlement programs and find me ONE that didn't end up costing exponential times more than "estimated". What makes you think that this one's gonna be different!? The architects of our highest national debt ever are now to be trusted with putting the interests of the people, which oppose this in a majority, over their own for decades to come? Seriously? Let me quote Democrat Congressman Tom Perriello of Virginia from yesterday, while explaining healthcare to people: if you don't tie our hands, we will keep stealing
Wake up man!!! |
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| Moral Hazard |
just gonna leave this one here too... |
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| Capitalizt |
CBO gives costs based on 10 year periods. They do not take into account that for the first 3 years, there are tax increases in effect, but zero costs. The costs actually hit in the following 7 years...THAT is how they arrive at the lie of $900B.
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/11/06...se-health-bill/
If you actually take years 4 through 14 of the bill (the REAL 10-year costs), the actual price tag is $2.6 TRILLION..and as 17ss pointed out, since when have government estimates ever come in under budget? I wouldn't be surprised if this understated the final cost by 20% or more, putting it well over $3 trillion per decade. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
CBO gives costs based on 10 year periods. They do not take into account that for the first 3 years, there are tax increases in effect, but zero costs. The costs actually hit in the following 7 years...THAT is how they arrive at the lie of $900B.
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/11/06...se-health-bill/
If you actually take years 4 through 14 of the bill (the REAL 10-year costs), the actual price tag is $2.6 TRILLION..and as 17ss pointed out, since when have government estimates ever come in under budget? I wouldn't be surprised if this understated the final cost by 20% or more, putting it well over $3 trillion per decade. |
Yes. And, check this out dude... an internal Democrat memo was just leaked that instructs staffers to mislead voters and the media on the "doctor fix", warning them to avoid discussing the mechanisms within the CBO analysis for that very reason:
Memo here---> http://www.politico.com/static/PPM138_100319_recon.html
The Politico's Chris Frates already is reporting on it:
| quote: | Democrats are planning to introduce legislation later this spring that would permanently repeal annual Medicare cuts to doctors, but are warning lawmakers not to talk about it for fear that it will complicate their push to pass comprehensive health reform. The plans undercut the party’s message that reform lowers the deficit, according to a memo obtained by POLITICO.
Democrats removed the so-called doc fix from the reform legislation last year because its $371-billion price tag would have made it impossible for Democrats to claim that their bill reduces the deficit. Republicans have argued for months that by stripping the doc fix from the bill, Democrats were playing a shell game. |
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0...rm.html?showall
This is an admission that the numbers the Democrats submitted to the CBO were entirely false, and that they plan to make this bill a deficit expander in the spring. Deceit and hypocricy of the highest order. |
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