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Heathcare in your country (pg. 9)
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
I'm going to make a conscious effort to use that word in at least 3 conversations in the coming week.
Will they mock me? :p |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
It hasn't been retracted... just nervous Democrats saying, "Memo? What memo?" The Politico is a left leaning entity anyway... I wasn't posting something from a source like Ann Coulter. Either way the whole thing is going to be a financial disaster and everyone knows it. The "doc fix" is going to be a separate thing passed later, which will add hundreds of billions on to this bull CBO score.
The CBO cost estimates also don't take into account the 10+ million people who will fully participate in the health exchanges and receive subsidies (depending upon income) automatically if the Schumer-Graham proposal became law. The key phrase is "an alien lawfully present in the United States," which gives a person all the benefits of the exchanges as a "qualified individual"... in other words, illegal aliens automatically would be turned into legal aliens from the moment they enter the system. They may have to wait for "lawful permanent residence" but they would not be here illegally anymore. No idea what the additional costs of this will be, but you know it will be immense.
http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/...t-as-passed.pdf
And how about another hidden cost uncovered by the CBO today about the additional $50 billion just to administer this thing!? ----> http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/113xx/do...ions_HR3590.pdf |
But seriously you're whining about how much money?
You spent $1.05 Trillion dollars in Iraq, which is still busted, broken and a complete waste of lives and money, yet putting a civic infrastructure in place is 'too much money'?
You spent 1.8 Billion dollars a week blowing up a country, then selectively fixing bits of it up, but a 50 billion dollar health service administration set up is not a priority?
At least if you spent 1 billion a week for a year getting it together, no ones getting bombed in the process, making you an international pariah and liars...
Its called priorities.
You look after your own, before you look after anyone else and yes, if you've got some money spare after things are ok at home, by all means go shoot up some brown people for their oil.
| quote: | Well, as a self made business owner too, I understand what you're saying completely. And I agree that we need reform... just not this Statist boondoggle designed to decimate the insurance industry that's being shoved down our throats. Of course business owners would like to not pay for insurance costs; but is the model that is leading to rationing and at the breaking point in so many other countries really the only alternative? I noticed you speak of inefficiency- which is why I'm dumbfounded that as a conservative business owner in this country, you believe our government will make this process more efficient and cost effective, especially when you consider 157 new government agencies are going to be created here. If you think dealing with insurance companies is frustrating, what's it going to be like dealing with buerecrats instead?
ps- no comment on the post/chart of how Medicare (aka government insurance) has denied more claims in raw number and overall percentage than any private insurance company? You think that's going to go in reverse now? |
You're already being bent over a barrel to private health insurance.
You're already paying close to TWICE the amount of health care than I do out of your own pocket and not your taxes.
You know why the private health care doesn't knock back those people?
Its all the halfwits wandering in wondering if it covers elective cosmetic surgery, gastric bands, lipsuction for their arseholes and your run of the mill time wasters.
Private health care covers that.
Public health care doesn't.
| quote: | | :stongue: why don't you just ask her if you can stick your tongue in her butt already? |
If you want to turn this into an uncivilised debate, by all means go ahead, it just makes you look like someone who's going in for a few cheap shots before I take you out. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
lipsuction for their arseholes |
Can we get some schematics in here? |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Can we get some schematics in here? |
Ask Fleds, he's probably got a pill or something for it. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
But seriously you're whining about how much money?
You spent $1.05 Trillion dollars in Iraq, which is still busted, broken and a complete waste of lives and money, yet putting a civic infrastructure in place is 'too much money'?
You spent 1.8 Billion dollars a week blowing up a country, then selectively fixing bits of it up, but a 50 billion dollar health service administration set up is not a priority?
At least if you spent 1 billion a week for a year getting it together, no ones getting bombed in the process, making you an international pariah and liars... |
I like how you're presented with inconvenient facts and try to turn this into a moral equivalence with Iraq. How the hell can you call this health bill "civic infrastructure"? We can't afford it, along with the other $100 trillion in overall unfunded entitlement liabilities that Obama supporters have been suckerd into believing they are entitled to. Adding more to that pile of will break down infrastructure, not improve it. You Statists just don't get it- increasing government size and control is unsustainable. Where do you think they get their funding from? I challenge you to find me a single entitlement program in U.S. history that has reduced taxes, reduced deficits, increased efficiency, and come in at the projected budget. Unlike businesses, where owners are accountable for failure, government isn't... so when their programs inevitably fail they just borrow more and raise taxes. But the end justifies the means in obtaining your faux social utopia right? That's pure Marxist ideology.
| quote: | | Its called priorities. You look after your own, before you look after anyone else and yes, if you've got some money spare after things are ok at home, by all means go shoot up some brown people for their oil. |
lol... stay classy. If unhinged leftists like yourself would support allowing us to get our own oil, perhaps those unfortunate "brown people" caught in the path of the U.S. buzzsaw would be left alone right?
| quote: | | You're already being bent over a barrel to private health insurance. |
Actually I'm not.
| quote: | | You're already paying close to TWICE the amount of health care than I do out of your own pocket and not your taxes. |
What? Wrong again.
| quote: | You know why the private health care doesn't knock back those people? Its all the halfwits wandering in wondering if it covers elective cosmetic surgery, gastric bands, lipsuction for their arseholes and your run of the mill time wasters.
Private health care covers that.
Public health care doesn't. |
You're right... it all boils down to that pesky cosmetic surgery thing. We straighten that out, we solve it! :stongue:
| quote: | | If you want to turn this into an uncivilised debate, by all means go ahead, it just makes you look like someone who's going in for a few cheap shots before I take you out. |
That was to PKC for cheerleading you. At least he can take a joke. Your internet tough talk doesn't make me shake in my chair Lilith- sorry to say. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Both. We have it here.
Medicare is the national healthcare system which provides a safety net for all citizens, then the middle class and anyone else who can afford it also gets private health insurance. It works a treat.
Do I need Medicare for expensive medical costs? Not really, because my private insurance covers most of it and Medicare is used mostly for doctor visits and anything low cost, but I still have no issues with paying a levy on my yearly wage to make sure that those who can't afford private health insurance have at least a basic level of cover.
Why? Well for two reasons. One, because I'm a compassionate human being that would prefer to help others and two, because I realise that those people would cost the country significantly more if they didn't have that basic level of cover.
So you see, there doesn't need to be a choice between the two as they seem to be trying to establish. Their current system is fundamentally flawed and it seems their ideas for any sort of replacement system are fundamentally flawed as well. |
It's almost the same here. |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I like how you're presented with inconvenient facts and try to turn this into a moral equivalence with Iraq. How the hell can you call this health bill "civic infrastructure"? We can't afford it, along with the other $100 trillion in overall unfunded entitlement liabilities that Obama supporters have been suckerd into believing they are entitled to. Adding more to that pile of will break down infrastructure, not improve it. You Statists just don't get it- increasing government size and control is unsustainable. Where do you think they get their funding from? I challenge you to find me a single entitlement program in U.S. history that has reduced taxes, reduced deficits, increased efficiency, and come in at the projected budget. Unlike businesses, where owners are accountable for failure, government isn't... so when their programs inevitably fail they just borrow more and raise taxes. But the end justifies the means in obtaining your faux social utopia right? That's pure Marxist ideology. |
So, initiating large scale warfare coming out of taxes is good, public healthcare coming out of taxes is bad?
Its not about entitlement. It really is about building civic infrastructure and raising up a country where people aren't going bankrupt from having healthcare, missing days off work which injures your economy in the long term.
The simple matter is that-
A: People in your country go bankrupt from medical bills and the government ends up bailing them out anyway.
B: People here don't and we don't have to bail them out.
People here don't die from a lack of health care.
People like Banora don't wander the streets with some kind of undiagnosed illness of the heart because they cant afford to see a doctor.
At least be a bit more worldly and not closed minded. Hell, maybe even volunteer a suggestion from the private sector as an alternative instead of parroting what your politicians say.
| quote: | | lol... stay classy. If unhinged leftists like yourself would support allowing us to get our own oil, perhaps those unfortunate "brown people" caught in the path of the U.S. buzzsaw would be left alone right? |
As someone who was forcibly evicted from a country because of a leftist takeover, (something I've mentioned a couple of times before) and annexation of several million dollars worth of assets I had there I think I can quite rightly call you a prick for the leftist comments.
Unlike you I've actually bothered to fight for what I have and not living in a superpower dreamland where reasonable democratic process is taken for granted.
No seriously, you're a complete prick for that. :(
| quote: | Actually I'm not.
What? Wrong again. |
Statistically you're paying $5700 a year in health care one way or another due to deregulated health care industry in a self-perpetuating inflation cycle that's forced ordinary citizens out of the scope of coverage... and I'm paying $2800 a year under regulated health care.
You've already said it yourself, it needs reform
I haven't seen a case for an alternative under the Republicans so I guess NO-POLICY just means they're encouraging what is already in effect and for some reason, still think it works properly. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| No, see, that's what preservation of the status quo is all about. Do enough nothing and something good has to happen - I mean, this is AMERICA! People can totally handle things on their own, as is evident by... uhhh... |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Do enough nothing and something good has to happen |
Well in health care terms its the equivalent of leaving an infected wound open until the maggots clear out the dead flesh... nom nom nom
So, hows it feel to be the dead flesh of the system :) |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
lol... stay classy. If unhinged leftists like yourself would support allowing us to get our own oil, perhaps those unfortunate "brown people" caught in the path of the U.S. buzzsaw would be left alone right?
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Errr...yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea. Pretty sure that oil isn't yours in the first place because lo and behold, it's not within your territory. |
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| Lews |
| By the fact that we have the best health care in the world! And the best technology! Hell, everything we have is the best! |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Errr...yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea. Pretty sure that oil isn't yours in the first place because lo and behold, it's not within your territory. |
uhhhh.... i was talking about the oil IN our territory that we are not allowed access to. |
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