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NYTA NHL 2010 Playoffs pick 'em game (pg. 5)
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| chimera66 |
| quote: | Originally posted by element-y
that wasnt a shot on nabby. that was an own goal. nabby was solid tonight. boyle messed that one up. sharks destroyed them with shots. avs didnt play. it was all anderson. i am speechless now. |
i know but given he faced virtually not shots at all i felt the ones he did face he'd fumble. it was a accidental goal not even a shot but i'll take it. anderson stole that game. also my condolences if i were a shark fan i'd be pulling a nancy kerrigan.
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| osterzone |
Marty Brodeur...oh have the mighty fallen.
This guy hasn't been able to carry a Devils team far into the playoffs since 02-03. And hockey was completely different back then. He's up there with Luongo as one of the most overrated goaltenders in the NHL today.
The Devils are not the kind of team that comes back from being down 3-1. Philly will close this out in six.
The Devils can also start cleaning out Kovalchuk's locker. Historically they aren't a team that pays big money for free agents, and Kovy isn't going to want to play for a quarterfinal loser team, so he's done in Jersey. |
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| Uncle ED |
| quote: | Originally posted by osterzone
Marty Brodeur...oh have the mighty fallen.
This guy hasn't been able to carry a Devils team far into the playoffs since 02-03. And hockey was completely different back then. He's up there with Luongo as one of the most overrated goaltenders in the NHL today.
The Devils are not the kind of team that comes back from being down 3-1. Philly will close this out in six.
The Devils can also start cleaning out Kovalchuk's locker. Historically they aren't a team that pays big money for free agents, and Kovy isn't going to want to play for a quarterfinal loser team, so he's done in Jersey. |
Martin is far from over rated, he is the best person to ever play that position. You try to play 70+ games every year, he is the shutout leader, top 5 in Save %, Tops in Wins,etc..etc....and one game away from 100 playoff wins. And how is that on the same level as Luongo?..I DO however agree with comments on Kovalchuck, always thought he never fit in the Devils system, and it shows.. |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by osterzone
Marty Brodeur...oh have the mighty fallen.
This guy hasn't been able to carry a Devils team far into the playoffs since 02-03. And hockey was completely different back then. He's up there with Luongo as one of the most overrated goaltenders in the NHL today. |
The numbers show you know nothing about what you speak of. Not to mention, he has an absolute BUM DEFENSE in front of him, complete minor league roster of defense men. Brodeur's doing his job, and fairly well (minus maybe 2 goals from last night)... The guys in front of him aren't. Our Captain Langenbrunner ain't doing , and Elias isn't doing much either... Kovalchuk's trying, but obviously not getting more than a couple goals and some assists. You're right about one thing, and I'm not sure how Kovy will fare this postseason when looking for a team. I don't think most teams out there will be paying him more than the 6 or 7 million Lamoriello would shell out to keep him. Not only that, I'm not sure how much Lamoriello would wanna keep him.
| quote: | Originally posted by osterzone
The Devils are not the kind of team that comes back from being down 3-1. Philly will close this out in six. |
I'm not gunna sit here and say we have a 100% chance of coming back, that'd be just dumb... But, this comment is so ironic on so many levels... |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Uncle ED
Martin is far from over rated, he is the best person to ever play that position. You try to play 70+ games every year, he is the shutout leader, top 5 in Save %, Tops in Wins,etc..etc....and one game away from 100 playoff wins. |
He's almost 38 years old, and still ting on the little kids with his numbers year by year, no matter what Rangers and Flyers fans say... They woulda loved to have them on their team for 15 years, maybe their past 2 decades of history would have been different... |
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| osterzone |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
The numbers show you know nothing about what you speak of. Not to mention, he has an absolute BUM DEFENSE in front of him, complete minor league roster of defense men. Brodeur's doing his job, and fairly well (minus maybe 2 goals from last night)... The guys in front of him aren't. Our Captain Langenbrunner ain't doing , and Elias isn't doing much either... Kovalchuk's trying, but obviously not getting more than a couple goals and some assists. You're right about one thing, and I'm not sure how Kovy will fare this postseason when looking for a team. I don't think most teams out there will be paying him more than the 6 or 7 million Lamoriello would shell out to keep him. Not only that, I'm not sure how much Lamoriello would wanna keep him.
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Kovalchuk is going to ask for $8 million and that's what teams are going to pay him. $6 million is lowballing his salary by a mile.
Bum defense? In the playoffs a goaltender has to step it up, stand on his head, and steal games to go far. Lundqvist did it last year during the first couple games of the Washington series. Brodeur hasn't.
Also show me the numbers you're speaking of. Broduer only got 28 shots the entire game and he let in 4. That's numbers.
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I'm not gunna sit here and say we have a 100% chance of coming back, that'd be just dumb... But, this comment is so ironic on so many levels... |
How? The Rangers have come back from several series of being down 2-0 to make it competitive. |
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| osterzone |
| quote: | Originally posted by Uncle ED
Martin is far from over rated, he is the best person to ever play that position. You try to play 70+ games every year, he is the shutout leader, top 5 in Save %, Tops in Wins,etc..etc....and one game away from 100 playoff wins. And how is that on the same level as Luongo?..I DO however agree with comments on Kovalchuck, always thought he never fit in the Devils system, and it shows.. |
Brodeur is a great goaltender, but it's very debatable that his numbers are inflated from playing behind those Devils defense corps of the late 90's/early 00's. |
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| osterzone |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
He's almost 38 years old, and still ting on the little kids with his numbers year by year, no matter what Rangers and Flyers fans say... They woulda loved to have them on their team for 15 years, maybe their past 2 decades of history would have been different... |
Eco admit it, the only reason why you bring up the Rangers in every post you've made in this thread is because you have absolutely nothing to counter the points being made.
I could post anything..."the Sharks are pretty good"...and you would reply "the Rangers suck, they are not in the playoffs, Devils are great, we're #2, etc.".
The Rangers have NOTHING to do with this year's playoffs. NOTHING. You have this obsession with bringing up irrelevant points to your arguments because you have nothing to back them up with. So instead of constantly throwing up red herrings, just make a post without the Rangers in mind. |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by osterzone
So instead of constantly throwing up red herrings, just make a post without the Rangers in mind. |
Okay....
| quote: | | How? The Rangers have come back from several series of being down 2-0 to make it competitive. |
I said your statement ("The Devils are not the kind of team that comes back from being down 3-1. Philly will close this out in six.") was incredibly ironic because historically, we actually came back from a 3-1 deficit against Philly, and rallied to win our second Stanley Cup haha... That's just an ironic piece of history, not any indication of what may happen this series, but funny that you worded it the way you did.
| quote: | Bum defense? In the playoffs a goaltender has to step it up, stand on his head, and steal games to go far. Lundqvist did it last year during the first couple games of the Washington series. Brodeur hasn't.
Also show me the numbers you're speaking of. Broduer only got 28 shots the entire game and he let in 4. That's numbers. |
Did you even WATCH the first 3 games? Or even the last 1/4 of the season? Brodeur's been playing like he's 28 again... Our defense, on the other hand, is leaving him out to dry, playing like minor leagures..
| quote: | | Brodeur is a great goaltender, but it's very debatable that his numbers are inflated from playing behind those Devils defense corps of the late 90's/early 00's. |
This is red flag number one that an intelligent hockey discussion can't be had here, and the reason I throw the Rangers card out when I do. This is just the typical Ranger talking point; I know because they've been saying it on our message boards, and to our faces for years. I've heard it all: The Devils won 3 cups because they had Brodeur bla bla bla... Brodeur is seen as the greatest goalie because the Devils played trap bla bla bla... It's a tired and old discussion. When he's walking on stage at the hockey hall of fame, being introduced as the greatest goalie of all time, everyone in attendance including other goalies and all the other coaches will be applauding and there would be no question in their minds that he is one of the greatest to have ever played the sport, if not THE greatest. And the Ranger fans will still say "He wasn't THAT good..."
| quote: | | Eco admit it, the only reason why you bring up the Rangers in every post you've made in this thread is because you have absolutely nothing to counter the points being made. |
You're not making any points for me to counter!! That's the problem... But while we're on the topic, here's a fact: we have the lowest goals against, both before and after the lockout (including this year, whoa!!!). I assure you that's not because of our good-for-nothing defense. What are you gunna attribute Brodeur's continued success to? Is his wife giving him better blowjobs and that's why he's playing well still? Performance enhancing drugs? There's always an uninformed talking point with a Ranger fan, I'm curious what the 2010 version is...
Brodeur's a legend, always has been, and still is. |
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| osterzone |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
I said your statement ("The Devils are not the kind of team that comes back from being down 3-1. Philly will close this out in six.") was incredibly ironic because historically, we actually came back from a 3-1 deficit against Philly, and rallied to win our second Stanley Cup haha... That's just an ironic piece of history, not any indication of what may happen this series, but funny that you worded it the way you did. |
You're referring to a series over a decade ago when the NHL was completely different...I don't think you could be any more irrelevant with that example.
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Did you even WATCH the first 3 games? Or even the last 1/4 of the season? Brodeur's been playing like he's 28 again... Our defense, on the other hand, is leaving him out to dry, playing like minor leagures..
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Yes I watched the first couple games. And so what if the defense hangs him out to dry? He should be standing on his head and STEALING games like great goaltenders do at this time of year.
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This is red flag number one that an intelligent hockey discussion can't be had here, and the reason I throw the Rangers card out when I do. This is just the typical Ranger talking point; I know because they've been saying it on our message boards, and to our faces for years. I've heard it all: The Devils won 3 cups because they had Brodeur bla bla bla... Brodeur is seen as the greatest goalie because the Devils played trap bla bla bla... It's a tired and old discussion. When he's walking on stage at the hockey hall of fame, being introduced as the greatest goalie of all time, everyone in attendance including other goalies and all the other coaches will be applauding and there would be no question in their minds that he is one of the greatest to have ever played the sport, if not THE greatest. And the Ranger fans will still say "He wasn't THAT good..."
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I never said he wasn't that good. I said that you can debate that his numbers are inflated because he's played his entire career in New Jersey behind a team that has historically built great defenses.
This isn't just a Ranger fan thing either. This is a discussion that happens with a lot of other fans in the league...it's just that the Devils fans are myopic and can't see it any other way. What if Brodeur left the Devils in 2000 and played out his career with the Columbus Blue Jackets? Would his numbers still be as good? Probably not...
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You're not making any points for me to counter!! That's the problem... But while we're on the topic, here's a fact: we have the lowest goals against, both before and after the lockout (including this year, whoa!!!). I assure you that's not because of our good-for-nothing defense. What are you gunna attribute Brodeur's continued success to? Is his wife giving him better blowjobs and that's why he's playing well still? Performance enhancing drugs? There's always an uninformed talking point with a Ranger fan, I'm curious what the 2010 version is...
Brodeur's a legend, always has been, and still is. |
You made an argument to counter two of the points in the post above. That's a start.
And regular season stats mean nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Marty Turco and Miikka Kiprusoff used to dominate the regular season leaderboards...would you say those two are the greatest goalies over the past couple seasons? Let me remind you that neither have won recently... |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by osterzone
You're referring to a series over a decade ago when the NHL was completely different...I don't think you could be any more irrelevant with that example. |
I said 2 different times that I obviously didn't mean we'd 100% come back to win this series... Your comment was just ironic, get over it lol...
| quote: | | Yes I watched the first couple games. And so what if the defense hangs him out to dry? He should be standing on his head and STEALING games like great goaltenders do at this time of year. |
What you're suggesting is irrational and borderline idiotic. Aside from Tuesday's match, the first three games were 1-1 and 2-1 games after regulation time was up. He's doing everything he can as a goalie, short of scoring goals and taking shots on Boucher lololol... He can't win a game if his boys up front ain't scoring more than 1 or 2 tops and his D is hanging him out to dry... Boucher is coming off the ice every game having faced 14-20 shots tops; our boys aren't doing enough to complement Brodeur's amazing performance.
| quote: | | I never said he wasn't that good. I said that you can debate that his numbers are inflated because he's played his entire career in New Jersey behind a team that has historically built great defenses. |
You can debate anything. We can diminish all of the "Original Six" achievements and Stanley Cup wins and say they're not that important because they were during a time where there were less teams to compete with. We can debate whether or not the Ovi's and Crosby's are THAT good, given that they can now score goals in overtime and their numbers are inflated. We can debate all of the numbers and anything in the world, but there's no point in it, it's really kinda senseless... He has his numbers that speak for him, so give him the credit he deserves... Not asking you to call him the Greatest, but at least consider him a Great.
| quote: | | This isn't just a Ranger fan thing either. This is a discussion that happens with a lot of other fans in the league...it's just that the Devils fans are myopic and can't see it any other way. What if Brodeur left the Devils in 2000 and played out his career with the Columbus Blue Jackets? Would his numbers still be as good? Probably not... |
How would you even know that? Your "points" completely rely on what-if's, your personal opinions, and hypothetical scenarios. Would the Rangers have won the Stanley Cup in 94 if Mark Messier never left the Oilers? See how dumb a question or discussion about something like that is? There's no point even discussing it.. Would Gretzky have been the Great One if his grandparents had never emigrated from Europe? What if Mario Lemieux's parents didn't have sex the night he was conceived, and he was never born?!?! Dumb pointless conversations, dude...
| quote: | | And regular season stats mean nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Marty Turco and Miikka Kiprusoff used to dominate the regular season leaderboards...would you say those two are the greatest goalies over the past couple seasons? Let me remind you that neither have won recently... |
How are Marty Turco and Miikka Kiprusoff even relevant to the discussion? Have they beat the shutouts record, win record, 40+ point seasons record, most games played record, playoff shutouts record, AND won 3 Stanley Cups????
No, so why are you even bringing them into the equation, it really has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. You're talking about pretty good goalies while I'm talking about a legend... |
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| DJ TRACE |
| Wow Devils out didn't expect that 1 and any one who talks about marty is stupid and I am a rangers fan the dude is still great thats why they were # 2 in the east, the defense and scoring didnt show up, devils only scored 8 goals in the series you gotta score a lot more than that to get threw even if marty let in a few. |
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