they should turn one of the lanes on the DVP in to a bike lane..
and why dont they turn the only two lanes on yonge street in to bike lanes only?
ing morons.
Moral Hazard
I think they should remove the parking lot at city hall while they're at it.
jester
You sound like a New Yorker lol
kaniz
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Originally posted by Jayx1
As for being a cyclist, thats great! A wonderful way to get around if you live downtown, stay downtown and dont mind it in January. But again, not at the expense of traffic capacity. Bike lanes should be an ADDITION to capacity, not a reduction to it.
And where are we going to get that capacity from? In the downtown core there are very few (if any) areas that you could create a bike lane without either sacrificing sidewalk or street-space for it.
I do think some of the bike-lane locations have been a bit odd. I think the Jarvis one is silly as there is the Sherborne bike lane one block over. Not too sure how I feel about the University one.
People like to bitch that hardly anyone bikes in Toronto, so why bother building bike lanes / etc, but the reason why many people don't ride is because they don't feel safe - and something that can go a long ways towards making it safer is having proper bike lanes.
Intangible
Thank you Jay :D
Jayx1
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Originally posted by kaniz
And where are we going to get that capacity from? In the downtown core there are very few (if any) areas that you could create a bike lane without either sacrificing sidewalk or street-space for it.
and thats the argument right there for not putting bike lanes in a lot of areas. Lets put in more transit instead!
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I do think some of the bike-lane locations have been a bit odd. I think the Jarvis one is silly as there is the Sherborne bike lane one block over. Not too sure how I feel about the University one.
and thats the point of most people against these silly lanes.
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People like to bitch that hardly anyone bikes in Toronto, so why bother building bike lanes / etc, but the reason why many people don't ride is because they don't feel safe - and something that can go a long ways towards making it safer is having proper bike lanes.
i think it has more to do with weather and lack of transit connectivity with uptown to be honest. More bike lanes may bring a few extra people, but its doubtful that the increase would be worth the decrease in capacity
Skipper
Can't wait.
Moral Hazard
quote:
Originally posted by kaniz
People like to bitch that hardly anyone bikes in Toronto, so why bother building bike lanes / etc, but the reason why many people don't ride is because they don't feel safe - and something that can go a long ways towards making it safer is having proper bike lanes.
Downtown isn't really where the bike lanes need to be though. Do you think for a second all the brokers and bankers are going to leave the SUVs and German sadans at home, tuck the cuff of their suits into their socks and ride their bike into work?
PivotTechno
So Jay, what Transit advocacy committees do you belong to?
'Cuz if you aren't taking some level of proactive action that is in line with your belief system, then
WittyHandle
^^ sets me right up for
Moral Hazard
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Originally posted by PivotTechno
So Jay, what Transit advocacy committees do you belong to?
'Cuz if you aren't taking some level of proactive action that is in line with your belief system, then
See, this line of thinking is exactly why democracy does not work correctly. People get involved in things that they are passionate about. It is always the minority on any side of an issue that makes the most noise, as they are always the most passionate about said issue. The politicians pay attention to who's yelling the loudest because whoever is yelling the loudest is most likely to vote based on that issue. The end result is govenment policy that reflects the most desirable voting blocks on particular issues rather then the overall best interest of the citizenry. It's absolutely incorrect to believe that because someone does not take an active role their opinion should be disregarded. Additionally, it is absolutely wrong for politicians to disregard the overall best interest of the larger citizenry in order to plaicate a loud minority.
PivotTechno
The yelling part was facetious. Jay does seem to have some intelligent ideas, and they don't need to be screamed out to be heard. But as it's been said, you need to be the change you want to see in the world - otherwise you're just another passive bystander.
Personally, I would rather see Jay rant about the fantastic changes he's working to bring to fruition, not the smarmy "thank god I don't go downtown much" that shows his main interests lie in how this matter affects him.
