Originally posted by Rodri Santos
i know i shouldn't express my thoughts but... you moron. Grow up.
Breakdown it's generally beatless, a relaxed part into the track often on the middle of it, there are some tracks that have a very short one, it could be even a silence just to change from melody A to melody B suddenly, you can use contrapoint melodies and fade melody A at some point... but as Eddie said breakdowns are a necessary evil, don't need to struggle your mind so much when people love breakdowns.
But i won't be arguing anymore, some people here only use 2 words in every statement "No,idiot" so won't bother writing something legible when some people are limited to understand it.
Wait, slow down, when you have you ever written anything legible?
saluyamo
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Originally posted by eRRaTiK
It's all about emotion for me, and when a vocal complements and doesn't overpower then it can be damn amazing.
Saltwater is the perfect vocal trance song imho
meriter
Trance-MB
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
Intention? What good is intention when you're arguing about a song, the predominant make-up of which is a single 16-bar loop with different tracks being muted or unmuted throughout its duration? You don't have the mental faculty, let alone any sense of reality, that would make you capable enough to change my thoughts on the matter. By your standards, what qualifies as a "perfect" track is about 90% of the beginner material in the Music Producer's Promotion Forum. If you were in charge of the music world, ******** would be holding several Emmy Trophies for his 'perfect' creations.
LOL, like the complexity of a track or how it is made has anything to do with if a track sounds perfect to someone.
Like a beginner isn't capable of making a track which sounds perfect to people because of the choice of instruments and melody.
Cosmos to me is perfect too and not that much different:
Same for Rhapsody In E:
Or even L.S.G. - Fontana (Processed Mix):
To you those just must sound boring and because of that can't be perfect to others.....
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by Trance-MB
LOL, like the complexity of a track or how it is made has anything to do with if a track sounds perfect to someone.
Like a beginner isn't capable of making a track which sounds perfect to people because of the choice of instruments and melody.
Oh. This is rich. Since you can't actually define a track as perfect, you'll redefine the word, perfect into something less than what perfect actually means. In essence, in order for a track to be perfect, it would have to be perfect not just in everyone's consideration, but in the consideration of those who are qualified to make such a distinction.
It can therefor be said, that because you think a melodic loop, 16 measures long, and repeated with different parts being muted and un-muted throughout the time it plays, is a song, let alone one which is considered perfect, that you are unqualified.
It is a song which is emblematic of nascent progression near the beginning of an artist's career and if you honestly think Paul Van Dyke, himself, wouldn't admit that it is complete rookie pap that would never, ever be released by today's labels, were it to be submitted to one, tomorrow, then you're either a fool or he's cultivated a messianic complex.
Trance-MB
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
Oh. This is rich. Since you can't actually define a track as perfect, you'll redefine the word, perfect into something less than what perfect actually means. In essence, in order for a track to be perfect, it would have to be perfect not just in everyone's consideration, but in the consideration of those who are qualified to make such a distinction.
It can therefor be said, that because you think a melodic loop, 16 measures long, and repeated with different parts being muted and un-muted throughout the time it plays, is a song, let alone one which is considered perfect, that you are unqualified.
It is a song which is emblematic of nascent progression near the beginning of an artist's career and if you honestly think Paul Van Dyke, himself, wouldn't admit that it is complete rookie pap that would never, ever be released by today's labels, were it to be submitted to one, tomorrow, then you're either a fool or he's cultivated a messianic complex.
LOL what people then are qualified to make the distinction? Are you? Many tracks in your view would be perfect or at least much more perfect then the examples of oldies I gave, but just few really like them. Tons of examples IMO.
The artist always think their earlier work was less quality otherwise they wouldn't have made any progress in their own view. That listeners have different opinions we can read here every day.
And yes, I'm not able to give a definition in words, also because I think there are perfect trance tracks from the one end to the other end of the genre.
If a track isn't release today doesn't really say something about the quality of the track. Why is there such a demand for late 90's tracks then over here?
And his name is Paul van Dyk.
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by Trance-MB
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If a track isn't release today doesn't really say something about the quality of the track. Why is there such a demand for late 90's tracks then over here?
Because there are disillusioned adults clinging to their youth. The 90's also happen to be in the typical resurgence cycle which the sixties, seventies, and eighties have all been subjected to. It still doesn't change the fact that the track was crap when it came out - and there were TONS of record companies putting out crap at that time.
I think I've made my point about the loop, er, I mean the song's repetition. Let's talk about the ease with which it was made which is part of what sets it up as such a shoddy track. The only thing he had to do to make that song, was to hit the black keys in a certain order - but even then you can't do a whole lot that's wrong when you limit yourself to ONLY five keys. Among all of the possible combinations of keys to hit, the only ones he chose were the black ones.
There's not a half-step interval throughout the entire song. Most, if not all of the chords are major fifths - one of the first chords taught when you take piano. The nearly omni-present leitmotif, which is only four bars long, was made using, in the following order per measure: D#, C#, F#, A#. These are notes that children, when visiting a piano owner's house from non-piano owning families, often just hit in that sequence, intuitively.
PVD just built the rest of the song around his four bar leitmotif. Again, the only thing he really had to do was hit the black keys. It's such a simple song that it pretty much writes itself. There really aren't that many combinations of notes, when playing only the black keys, that won't fit in with the leitmotif. It is the kind of song which gives reason to everyone who says electronic music is simply a matter of pressing a button. It is a song which took no discernible skill, to make, and one which has probably been unwittingly duplicated a number of times, simply because it is just that retarded.
So telling me that a bunch of people like that song essentially means nothing as to its candidacy for perfection. At best it is a demonstration of the simple math inherent to the most basic of music. Other than math, however, it is bereft of any other feeling and certainly incapable of expressing any sort of love. That a bunch of people like it only discredits a bunch of people. While I have little doubt as to its veracity, I imagine that this multitude you speak of also has tastes in other matters which are equally mundane.
Trance-MB
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
Because there are disillusioned adults clinging to their youth. The 90's also happen to be in the typical resurgence cycle which the sixties, seventies, and eighties have all been subjected to. It still doesn't change the fact that the track was crap when it came out - and there were TONS of record companies putting out crap at that time.
Let's talk about the ease with which it was made which is part of what sets it up as such a shoddy track.....So telling me that a bunch of people like that song essentially means nothing as to its candidacy for perfection. At best it is a demonstration of the simple math inherent to the most basic of music. Other than math, however, it is bereft of any other feeling and certainly incapable of expressing any sort of love. That a bunch of people like it only discredits a bunch of people. While I have little doubt as to its veracity, I imagine that this multitude you speak of also has tastes in other matters which are equally mundane.
I know how much crap was produced, listened thousands of tracks back then and have many at compilations I bought.
I won't deny it was made easy and is pretty simple, certainly compared to most of todays releases. A good or catchy melody, nice combination of instruments (here synths and piano), some small details like the waves and phaser blibs in this track to me already makes it a perfect, lets add sounding, trance track. Especially the part after the breakdown with the high synth keys is what I just love about it.
Like most of us I'm not a producer and can't hear what keys are played. I judge a track just on how it sounds and what it does to me. Things like: it makes me happy, want to hear it over and over, melody sticks in my head, wanna dance etc.
I've heard many tracks where I wished the producer had done this or that, but this wasn't one of them.
Also maybe the fact that he didn't use more keys made it that people liked it, we'll never know. Don't think you have the desire to make a remix of it.
I guess to you other things are important to call a track perfect than to me.
More recent tracks which at least sound more complicated and to me are perfect are tracks like:
But this one again is pretty simple or boring, but I do think it's a perfect trance track despite its simplicity: Afterburn - NorthPole
RoryJames
pointPi
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Originally posted by noikeee
I'd hate a track like that.
Why so? What kind of superior taste do you have?
montana
pointpi, i'd love to hear your opinion on something like ben liebrand's modular 1. you can find it on here or as the asot 204 guestmix. that track is one hour long, and it has a 14 minute intro, but with a rhythm and all. through the whole thing, there is proper tension and release and it has breakdowns but none of them that are rhythm-less.
pointPi
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Originally posted by montana
pointpi, i'd love to hear your opinion on something like ben liebrand's modular 1. you can find it on here or as the asot 204 guestmix. that track is one hour long, and it has a 14 minute intro, but with a rhythm and all. through the whole thing, there is proper tension and release and it has breakdowns but none of them that are rhythm-less.
Sorry, I haz no internetz-monee. Me 16. Lol wut, I can haz a cheezburger?
