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Your definition of a perfect "trance" track (pg. 9)
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pointPi
quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
It's not the first time you mention it. And often giving examples of very generic tunes.

Let's talk about some other phenomenon within trance music. Why the are producers of today so lousy at incorporating acid effects in their tracks?


Seeing production tutorials from e.g. 7 Skies and Sean Tyas, they're still incorporating what they refer to as acid. To them it seems to mean: Synth effects implied in the background for augmenting the over all drive, rhythm and groove.

Here's an example, forward to 2:36:
Trance-MB
quote:
Originally posted by Rodri Santos
i particularly like the chord progression in this track:

If a trance track hasn't got a changing bass is usually a big fail, there must be some good tracks with a static bass though but it's one of the beautys of this style i think.


Isn't that "changing bass" not just the bassline, an ultra deep one in this track? Bet you even can't hear it with crap speakers like those of a notebook.

Anyways, think we more or less have similar taste, as I agree with that.

Got addicted to this track, which is different, but has also a "deep sound". Love those chord changes like the one @ 2:18.
To me this is also a hell of a perfect trance track:

Tenth Chapter - Wired (Stonk Remix)

It does sound much better in high quality though.
pointPi
quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
Tenth Chapter - Wired (Stonk Remix)


Hmm, nice track, but there's something wrong about this tune, or should I say, my taste. This track sounds too old.

You know that annoying old man in the real life that claims that everything was better before? Well, I'm kind of the opposite to him. I despise almost everything that's old and glorifies everything new.

This doesn't just imply in "trance" music, this implies basically everything: Architecture, video games, movies, literature, technology etc. There might be some psychological explanation behind this. Some sort of early childhood experience.
DancingMonkey
Why, anyone who thinks trance older than 1996 is better than today's must either be bat insane or 80+ years old and senile. Those are the only explanations for such an outrageous statement!
Rodri Santos
quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
Isn't that "changing bass" not just the bassline, an ultra deep one in this track? Bet you even can't hear it with crap speakers like those of a notebook.

Anyways, think we more or less have similar taste, as I agree with that.

Got addicted to this track, which is different, but has also a "deep sound". Love those chord changes like the one @ 2:18.
To me this is also a hell of a perfect trance track:

Tenth Chapter - Wired (Stonk Remix)

It does sound much better in high quality though.


Maybe you aren't a producer and you don't have to know this but that ultra deep bass it's just a sidechain compression of the driving bass.
RebeL9
quote:
Originally posted by pointPi
Seeing production tutorials from e.g. 7 Skies and Sean Tyas, they're still incorporating what they refer to as acid. To them it seems to mean: Synth effects implied in the background for augmenting the over all drive, rhythm and groove.

Here's an example, forward to 2:36:


Where is the acid effects in that track?

This is acid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj4fj3VJ-Pk

or why not this gem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtrR...feature=related

or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajYQyAFozlI
pointPi
Yeah, I also wonder why they call them acid effects. Are we talking true acid feasts? Then it has to be evil as possible to count as "trance". Check out this delicious praline:

RebeL9
Yes that is a fine tune. I used it in my Mad Monkey mix a couple of years ago. You might want to check it and the other joyful tunes in it:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=429859
Johan (DJ Irish)
Yeah what the hell happened with proper Acid in trance tracks? Been wondering that for 10 years now. Has the knowledge of how to program 303 basslines gone the way of the Dodo?

Also, I'm not just talking about acid effects but also squeeky acid lines as a major part of the track. Obvious recently example:

At around 5:15 the acidness starts: Vibrasphere - Autumn Lights


And (although perhaps not trance): Dropstatik - Kontrapunkt 1

Outside the goa/psytrance genre acid seems unheard of in today's trance :p

Also missing the complete acid outragousness that happened during the acid trance and techno heydays in the 90s where they could layer 3-4 TB-303s on top of each other
Rodri Santos
Now a bit Acid you could have something like this



but that kind of analog lead it's dead, a lot of old tracks have it but now plucks rule.

Dookie
Tiesto is the best imo.
Trance-MB
quote:
Originally posted by pointPi
Hmm, nice track, but there's something wrong about this tune, or should I say, my taste. This track sounds too old.

You know that annoying old man in the real life that claims that everything was better before? Well, I'm kind of the opposite to him. I despise almost everything that's old and glorifies everything new.

This doesn't just imply in "trance" music, this implies basically everything: Architecture, video games, movies, literature, technology etc. There might be some psychological explanation behind this. Some sort of early childhood experience.


Indeed it doesn't sound like recent stuff, which is probably why it sounds old to you. To me it doesn't sounds too old compared to other older tracks, but that's maybe because I'm getting old(er) :)

I do like current trance too, but I guess tracks which had most influence on someone one remembers best, which is why I also post some older once.
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