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The US Federal Stimulus: did it benefit you at all? (pg. 6)
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| yukii |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
HELL YEAH I DO!
I THANK OBAMA IS A NAGGER AND I WANT HIS MUSLIM ASS OUT OF OFFICE! USA USA USA USA |
USA USA USA!!!! :gsmile: |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
COR VERSION: In short, such logic is the cause of the current crisis. Like your suppositions about illegal immigrants, it fails to attack the totality of their circumstance while vilifying the entire cross-section of people who fit into its pejorative criteria, based on some small sample of people who actually might be willing to defile themselves, as you've prescribed. Not that you're wrong, entirely. There are a small portion of people who don't have a problem living off welfare but those people, by and large, don't vote. |
I wasn't making a blanket statement about all people unemployed, nor was I about all illegal immigrants. yeah, a TON of people would rather be working than collecting unemployment. But you know what the numbers show? The longer people are receiving government checks, the less likely they are to get back into the workforce even if they are able bodied. To me, you are an exception that proves the rule and it's awesome to hear that you aren't saying " it". And there are a lot like you. But the longer this goes on... the longer peoples' unemployment check timetable gets extended, there are a lot more people that are not like you that will say " it". Look at England and how sad their society has become with the entitlement culture.
Back to the illegal immigrant point. I don't want this to turn into a foreign policy discussion, but should we not look to the horrible conditions Mexico's own government creates first (along with its rampant corruption) before saying the U.S. has a responsibility to create economically sound conditions in their country? Either way, the fact of the matter is that the unsustainable costs to the states resulting from lax immigration policy is real. $600 million in taxpayer funds for their children last year. $10 billion for overall services in California, who is already broke as a joke.
But illegals register 3-1 Democrat; why is that? Perhaps because of the free handouts they're promised? And I don't say it lightly when I make the claim that the Democrats continually push for social welfare for illegals, push for amnesty, and refuse to take sealing our border seriously so they can expand their voting base. I'd like to know a logical reason otherwise. Because it sure looks like amnesty is the largest Democrat voter registration drive in history. And don't tell I'm way off base by suggesting things would be a lot different if a majority of illegals voted Republican. |
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| The17sss |
Yet, commodity prices have risen 40% in the past 12 months... this includes agriculture prices +60%, cotton +142%, corn +90%, and energy +14%. Food in general is up 40% in the past 12 months. And our gas prices are the highest EVER for this time of year. Nope, no inflation!
Don't be fooled with that 1% lower figure- companies have been restructuring and cost cutting to keep their consumer base in a weak economy, but that's about to fall apart. Long term growth can only be sustained by revenue growth. How much paper did we just print (again) with QE2? You think we don't have an inflation problem with a fresh $900 billion added to the circulation? |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I wasn't making a blanket statement about all people unemployed, nor was I about all illegal immigrants. yeah, a TON of people would rather be working than collecting unemployment. But you know what the numbers show? The longer people are receiving government checks, the less likely they are to get back into the workforce even if they are able bodied. To me, you are an exception that proves the rule and it's awesome to hear that you aren't saying " it". And there are a lot like you. But the longer this goes on... the longer peoples' unemployment check timetable gets extended, there are a lot more people that are not like you that will say " it". Look at England and how sad their society has become with the entitlement culture.
Back to the illegal immigrant point. I don't want this to turn into a foreign policy discussion, but should we not look to the horrible conditions Mexico's own government creates first (along with its rampant corruption) before saying the U.S. has a responsibility to create economically sound conditions in their country? Either way, the fact of the matter is that the unsustainable costs to the states resulting from lax immigration policy is real. $600 million in taxpayer funds for their children last year. $10 billion for overall services in California, who is already broke as a joke.
But illegals register 3-1 Democrat; why is that? Perhaps because of the free handouts they're promised? And I don't say it lightly when I make the claim that the Democrats continually push for social welfare for illegals, push for amnesty, and refuse to take sealing our border seriously so they can expand their voting base. I'd like to know a logical reason otherwise. Because it sure looks like amnesty is the largest Democrat voter registration drive in history. And don't tell I'm way off base by suggesting things would be a lot different if a majority of illegals voted Republican. |
While it is true that the longer people remain on unemployment, the less likely they are to get employed again, that is often because companies do not like to hire people who have large gaps. The longer you go without a job, the less likely you are to be hired. It's not fair to say that people are just lazy and just staying on their "handouts." You only get unemployment benefits if you're actively searching for a job and can prove it.
Perhaps they vote for Democrats because Democrats want to integrate them into society while Republicans want to send them back into the war zone? Who would you vote for when you're shown the option between someone who wants to help you and someone who views you as a blot on society? Maybe if Republicans had a better attitude towards immigrants they would see more votes headed their way. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Yet, commodity prices have risen 40% in the past 12 months... this includes agriculture prices +60%, cotton +142%, corn +90%, and energy +14%. Food in general is up 40% in the past 12 months. And our gas prices are the highest EVER for this time of year. Nope, no inflation!
Don't be fooled with that 1% lower figure- companies have been restructuring and cost cutting to keep their consumer base in a weak economy, but that's about to fall apart. Long term growth can only be sustained by revenue growth. How much paper did we just print (again) with QE2? You think we don't have an inflation problem with a fresh $900 billion added to the circulation? |
Companies are starting to show increase in revenue growth. For a while they were making profits only because they had cut costs, but we're starting to see a change in that in the latest earning reports. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Yet, commodity prices have risen 40% in the past 12 months... this includes agriculture prices +60%, cotton +142%, corn +90%, and energy +14%. Food in general is up 40% in the past 12 months. And our gas prices are the highest EVER for this time of year. Nope, no inflation! |
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Well sure man, if you just ignore everything that has become cheaper then by definition everything will be more expensive! :p
Also you’re ignoring the fact that commodity prices are set by a global market. So if china wants more steel, then iron ore will probably become more expensive. That does not, in and of itself, indicate widespread monetary inflation. Also note that your dollar has taken a hit, which makes imports more expensive. That is not necessarily monetary-related either, though certainly can be.
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Don't be fooled with that 1% lower figure- companies have been restructuring and cost cutting to keep their consumer base in a weak economy, but that's about to fall apart. Long term growth can only be sustained by revenue growth. How much paper did we just print (again) with QE2? You think we don't have an inflation problem with a fresh $900 billion added to the circulation? |
I’ll believe you have an inflation problem when the CPI index tells me you do. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
:haha: :haha:
Well sure man, if you just ignore everything that has become cheaper then by definition everything will be more expensive! :p
Also you’re ignoring the fact that commodity prices are set by a global market. So if china wants more steel, then iron ore will probably become more expensive. That does not, in and of itself, indicate widespread monetary inflation. Also note that your dollar has taken a hit, which makes imports more expensive. That is not necessarily monetary-related either, though certainly can be.
I’ll believe you have an inflation problem when the CPI index tells me you do. |
Woa woa woa.
I'm going to have to ignore your silly talk about global commodity prices being driven up by demand (and investors looking to profit off such demand), because I feel the need to point out your bigger stupidity: the CPI. We all know the CPI is run by the BLS and therefore is being fixed by the Muslim Administration to make things look better. You can't use it as a sign of inflation. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Woa woa woa.
I'm going to have to ignore your silly talk about global commodity prices being driven up by demand (and investors looking to profit off such demand), because I feel the need to point out your bigger stupidity: the CPI. We all know the CPI is run by the BLS and therefore is being fixed by the Muslim Administration to make things look better. You can't use it as a sign of inflation. |
hahaha. Don’t ing joke man- ive “met” so many people online that think the CPI is pretend numbers, and there’s secret hidden inflation happening all around us, just no represented properly by the CPI. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
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To clarify, while I have been in the past and have since held a job, I'm not on any unemployment, currently; and I would add, completely ineligible to receive such benefits. It was back in 2004 and not in MI. There are just no jobs here in MI. The market is so tight that any applicant is out-numbered by some ridiculous ratio well over 20:1. Those people who are on unemployment and new to the job market are in for an uphill battle and it's quite easy to get discouraged. I'll tell you that when I was on unemployment, I never took more than a day or two off during the week to stop looking for work and just dick around.
That's just my personal experience with it. I've heard a couple of different things about the studies, both for and against your points, that have been done and while I can certainly see that it would be easy to take a "staycation" on the doll, it's a lot more reassuring to have a job and a pattern of life revolving around it. I don't think I ever felt like I could relax and take it easy.
It's true that they are corrupt foreign governments and those governments may be able to subsist without U.S. support. My point is that we're not doing their citizens any favors by remaining engaged on the levels the U.S. is and in the way that it is. I'm not at all convinced that the reason Democrats are pushing for immigrant amnesty programs like the DREAM act is motivated by the Hispanic voting block since it seems particularly unlikely that a number of immigrants sufficient to maintain a majority that would offset their upset citizen constituents.
Personally, that's not really one my pet issues, either way, other than to disparage Lou Dobbs for driving back the level of discussion around immigration back by one century; but where that's concerned, I could say a good deal more. If you really want to know why I vote Democratic tickets, it's not because of entitlement programs or immigration. It's not even because I don't have a job. It's because of retarded bull like the WI governor issuing a bill which attacks unions even though the WI teachers have agreed to financial concessions. It's because the TX school-board wants to retard curriculum back into the 1800s. It's because of deregulation and all of the woefully evil I've had to put up with because banks are allowed to play a zero-sum game with money I have in my account. And it's because the level of discussion around illegal immigration, save for a few updates with terminology, is still the same quality which concerned the filthy Irish and illiterate Mongols invading the U.S. in the early 1900's |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
If you really want to know why I vote Democratic tickets, it's not because of entitlement programs or immigration. It's not even because I don't have a job. It's because of retarded bull like the WI governor issuing a bill which attacks unions even though the WI teachers have agreed to financial concessions. |
This is preposterous. Issuing a bill that attacks unions?? Dude, the governor is doing exactly what he said he would do when he was voted into office in November, along with a new Republican legislature: try to close the state's $3.6 billion budget gap dropped in his lap by his predecessor. Why should everyone have to sacrifice in tough times except public sector unions, who are demanding raises?
Take a minute to ponder this man. Milwaukee's teachers currently earn TRIPLE the city's per capita income and get DOUBLE the benefit package value as private sector workers for a combined total of almost $90,000 annually. In 2011 that number is set to increase to $100,000. They also get to retire after 30 years with 90% of their highest salary FOR LIFE, including medical care FOR LIFE, courtesy of the taxpayer. And the result of their stellar teaching has yielded (for 10th grade students) 41% being proficient or advanced in reading, and 28% proficient or advanced in math.
Now, how are these teachers being "attacked"? They are being asked to contribute half their costs to their pensions and 12.6% of their health care coverage... which is STILL less than what private sector employees pay. That is an attack on the unions? Wisconsin has a balanced budget amendment that they have to abide by. All those teachers would rather be laid off than accept the alternative of having to pay a little bit for their own benefits.
Meanwhile, these wonderful teachers are setting a great example by lying to get out of teaching, having doctors write fake doctors notes, giving death threats to the governor, and parading around with signs of Walker as Hitler because he is asking for the same level of "shared sacrifice" that Obama said everyone should partake in. And all of the Democrat senators in Wisconsin fled the state and are hiding out like cowards, blocking the real democratic process, because they know they'll lose the vote. We just had an election in November, no? But they can't accept the results and are trying to subvert the process. What they are doing and what the teachers are doing... not going to work when on the taxpayer dole, is illegal. I can't believe you are supporting this. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zharen
LOL, way to judge without knowing my situation, . I used up all my UI currently, so I am no longer leeching off the system, which I did spend 8 years of my life spending into. And I've tried looking for employment, just like EddieZilker I've carpetbombed places with apps and resumes. The sad truth is, there are no new jobs sprouting around here, and hardly anyone is hiring. So why don't you close your ing mouth and get off that high horse of yours? |
and i guess the statistics lie correct? The fact that unemployment is currently on a downtrend should tell you that the economy is improving for the average joe thats willing to take any job. Look at the dow jones industrial, its breaking 52 week highs. oil prices are soaring and demand is back up again. Companies are killing analyst estimates with their latest quarter releases. The economy is improving as a whole. If you havent found a job yet, lower your standards a bit, don't be a princess. Look harder, if not get a better education and skills which will cater you to new opportunities.
You're living in the US ing A, not somalia. The choice is yours. |
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