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The US Federal Stimulus: did it benefit you at all? (pg. 8)
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| Fledz |
| We still pay the same price at the pump these days with a stronger dollar than the US, than we did when it was 60c. It just doesn't make sense and nobody can explain why. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
We still pay the same price at the pump these days with a stronger dollar than the US, than we did when it was 60c. It just doesn't make sense and nobody can explain why. |
oil /=gas
theres a refining process so the correlation of oil up gas up is not as direct as most would believe. |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
We still pay the same price at the pump these days with a stronger dollar than the US, than we did when it was 60c. It just doesn't make sense and nobody can explain why. |
Gross demand, during the northern hemisphere winter the price goes up because the majority of the worlds population lives there and has higher energy requirements to drag their fat arses around and avoid freezing to death.
Its always higher in summer for us. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Oil's more in the hands of speculators that make a game of being skittish whenever the Koreans let off bottle rockets or some Arab chucks a rock.
edit: did fine out of the US hitting rock bottom. Thanks for the cash |
you're only talking about blips here. I would beg to differ, most of the commitment of traders is actually commercial rather then speculators.
commercial actually intend to take delivery or supply it to the market.
Take a look
http://www.321energy.com/cots.php
Its a supply and demand issue essentially driven by storage in turn is somewhat manipulated by production to attain a feasible price for the market. |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
oil /=gas
theres a refining process so the correlation of oil up gas up is not as direct as most would believe. |
Yes I know, but it's also not quite as clear as just gross demand and the refining process. There's tax on top of it, import costs and a whole load of other , designed to screw people out of as much money as possible.
As for your use of "gas", you guys really need to stop. Then again, you still use the imperial system so I'm probably clutching at straws. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Yes I know, but it's also not quite as clear as just gross demand and the refining process. There's tax on top of it, import costs and a whole load of other , designed to screw people out of as much money as possible.
As for your use of "gas", you guys really need to stop. Then again, you still use the imperial system so I'm probably clutching at straws. |
Fuel oil, distillate, you get my point. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Yes I know, but it's also not quite as clear as just gross demand and the refining process. There's tax on top of it, import costs and a whole load of other , designed to screw people out of as much money as possible.
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it's also a luxury to have to pay prices which are actually quite low for a resource that isn't readily renewable.
All those costs you mention with regards to screwing people over are actually needed costs to get the oil from the ground into your car.
It's a fair price to pay, wait til 10 years from now and you'll understand. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Now, how are these teachers being "attacked"? They are being asked to contribute half their costs to their pensions and 12.6% of their health care coverage... which is STILL less than what private sector employees pay. That is an attack on the unions? Wisconsin has a balanced budget amendment that they have to abide by. All those teachers would rather be laid off than accept the alternative of having to pay a little bit for their own benefits. |
You're not even arguing to my point but a point rendered moot by a concession made in good faith by the Teachers who are protesting over this:
http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/02...t-of-a-pattern/
| quote: | The governor’s budget repair bill, which includes a plan to gut collective bargaining protections for state employees, does not seek to get the state’s fiscal house in order.
Rather, it is seeks a political goal: destroying public employee unions, which demand fair treatment of workers and hold governors of both parties to account when they seek to undermine public services and public education [...]
As state Rep. Mark Pocan, D-Madison, notes, “Wisconsin is hardly ‘open for business’ if businesses can’t attract employees because of a bad employee climate in our state. The government banning employees from negotiating through unions is a radical and dangerous notion that Wisconsin simply shouldn’t embrace. If high-tech and emerging industries can’t attract employees because of our bad employee atmosphere in our state, they certainly won’t locate here.”
Pocan’s not the only one who is suggesting that the plan is “radical.” Responsible Republicans, such as state Sen. Luther Olsen, R-Ripon, are concerned. “The concept is pretty radical,” Olsen says of the Walker proposal. “It affects a lot of good working people.”
Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, R-Juneau, says Republican legislators have a “lot of good questions” for Walker’s team. |
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| Banora |
I don't remember getting a check in the mail, nor did I see any extra money on my paychecks or get more money for grants/student loans.
The Stimulus did nothing more than bring me a few moments of childish humor when I heard the pompous old politicians say 'stimulate'. |
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| Ted Promo |
| It bought me weed. |
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| Meat187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
if a government builds bridges out of debt-financed spending, it is no different to building tanks or bombs. the government "artifically created" that demand for munitions ffs. |
Then, however, some genius had the idea to sell those tanks to England. They tried with the bridge, too, but Churchill wasn't interested.
I could quote a number of publications underlining how the war was exactly what brought the USA out of the depression and made them the leading economic power, as well some other which critisize debt-financed stimuli on much better examples than a wide-reaching reform like the New Deal. The real estate market or Germany's "Abwrackprämie" (money for buying new cars, which failed to do anything posiive at all). But, as you clearly state
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i was at work, couldn't read the sources. but ive read plenty of revisionist nonsense about the ND, thanks. |
that you'll simply disregard any contrary opinion, be it from another poster or an economic expert who's probaly more qualified than anyone on TA, there is really no point in any further discussion.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
id stick to the science if i were you ;) |
I'll stick to discussing these things with people that regard economics as science, rather than a set of dogmatic beliefs that carry an entire world-view and are not allowed to be challanged by any different thinking. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
secret hidden inflation happening all around us |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
:gsmile: |
Only at the grocery store! |
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