Originally posted by srussell0018
Good for you. I'm not bitter, it's just incredibly annoying, and incredibly played-out all of the people who are such pretentious douche bags such as yourself. Who the are you to say that you had such a better time during the 90s than people do now? Everything you're saying is your subjective opinion, thus completely irrelevant to this discussion.
I'm not bitter at all. I quite enjoy my life, and I enjoy the club scene, despite the opinions of fossils such as yourself. You talk about that time period being so magical for you, well what's to say the current time isn't magical for others? Who are you to judge them and say that "they'll never understand." Who ing cares? You can go on and on about the "golden years" (as has been done in about 100 threads before this one) but the only thing you're accomplishing is proving that you're living in the past. Like I said before, your opinion on what were the best years of trance is just that, your opinion. You talk about it like you are the almighty judge of what is considered good trance, when in reality, you're probably just another jaded "classic trance" fan who can't let go of the past and is too close minded to accept any current music.
lol so much anger in your post, I can almost hear the rage. I hardly post on the forum for the very reason that everything turns into a flame war. Your taking everything far too personal and completely contradicting your own point. "Who ing cares?" Obviously you do otherwise you wouldn't even be posting. Your exaggerating to such great lengths about how I revel in the past when really all I am speaking about is my own experience. At the very least it is my own opinion, something it seems you are persistent in bashing because you are convinced that I believe it was the best thing since sliced bread.
I'm not here to sensationalize and make an attempt to try and trump someone else's experience with Trance. I simply stated I lost respect for it and moved on, simple as that. If you can't get over the fact that todays "Trance" is not my cup of tea than that is an internal struggle that you have never dealt with. I relate to my experiences just as much as you do with yours.
I could sit here all day and tell you Tiesto is a sell out and that the music he makes today defy's everything that Trance ever was, but it still doesn't change the fact that Tiesto raped the Trance genre, nor does it change the fact that millions if not billions of people still love his music. Everyone and everything changes as the years pass by. For those people who love Trance today, well all the PLUR to them, but that still doesn't change my opinion on what I experienced or what people today have not experienced. I listen to EDM for the very reason that I don't ever have to settle on just listening to whats out there. Close minded and jaded is far from what I am... have my musical influences changed? 100%.
Vanos
lol @ the OP. ferry corsten? better of alone?
but on topic. My progression has been something like that
1. early childhood, brother used to listen to that euro ))
2. in 99 started buying casettes, got really into trance first few favs were:
then got a double cd my bro brought from england. Was called world of trance 9 by vision soundcarriers (the same guys that do transmaster comps. however back in the day they were actually the prime label alongside with bonzai, not cheesy like today, untouchable in trance). Really got into that stuff. esp remeber these tunes:
Overtone - Mental movement (mike/push monkier)
Plastic Angel - Follow Me
after that I got heavily into trance until about the beginning of 2006, went through various progressions started to listen to hard techno (eg. karakasis, pedro delgardo, hertz etc.). However then in 2007 i went for the first time at a night time minimal party at CB and got really into that sound. After I started to listen more in that spectrum i discovered the minimal yet heavy and groovy coming up sound in techno and got into that and since then I guess my taste as well as the techno genre has progressed to this new minimal, house and progressive influenced techno and harder more "techno" denomination of tech-house. Thats what i listen to now. Imo the vast majority of trance today is garbage!!!! I am an openminded person and try to browse through most categories on bp (except for hipster like nudisco/dubstep/electo) but when i go into trance category i cant even force myself sometime to go through the top 10 as my ears start bleeding after around the 4th track.
my opinion on trance:
what was original trance: e.g 1990-1995 more subtle, atmospheric and somewhat psychadelic
then 1997 +: then transformation into more melodic stuff. However, in general back then the underground trance sounded very diff from today. The sound was way more bare - less pads, sound saturation, less wet percs etc. (thats why imo some subvarities of techno and prog house of today more closely correspond to that trance than modern trance), the melodies were generally more spacey/enigmatic as opposed to plain cheesy/sentimaental today, there was much less vocals.
then 2000-2003: stagnation of the genre
then 2003+: the start of decay. The rise of armins diva style and generally modern trance sounds
today: trance is dead
Endlesswave
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Originally posted by srussell0018
Good for you. I'm not bitter, it's just incredibly annoying, and incredibly played-out all of the people who are such pretentious douche bags such as yourself. Who the are you to say that you had such a better time during the 90s than people do now? Everything you're saying is your subjective opinion, thus completely irrelevant to this discussion.
I'm not bitter at all. I quite enjoy my life, and I enjoy the club scene, despite the opinions of fossils such as yourself. You talk about that time period being so magical for you, well what's to say the current time isn't magical for others? Who are you to judge them and say that "they'll never understand." Who ing cares? You can go on and on about the "golden years" (as has been done in about 100 threads before this one) but the only thing you're accomplishing is proving that you're living in the past. Like I said before, your opinion on what were the best years of trance is just that, your opinion. You talk about it like you are the almighty judge of what is considered good trance, when in reality, you're probably just another jaded "classic trance" fan who can't let go of the past and is too close minded to accept any current music.
He does have a valid point to make (Look at everyone else in here who backed him up).
Sure the scene changed and there are many people thay say move on and enjoy what we have (and a lot do). As who who are we to say that enjoyment for us back then is different than those that enjoy it now? It's how the scene has progressed. Both musically and crowd wise.
Go to certain clubs like FW, Wrongbar, Guv one one off surprise nights and compare them to 'commercial nights' w the usual djs: they don't hold a candle. Ask the people partying now in a few years time and they will say the same thing. This happens with any scene though, not just EDM.
I'm w Vanos in part. 2003+ there were some decent tunes even up until 04/05 but 97-2002/03 were untoucbable. Some would even say early 90s were untouchable but I didn't know any better and was a kid.
Takayuki
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Originally posted by Vanos
my taste as well as the techno genre has progressed to this new minimal, house and progressive influenced techno and harder more "techno" denomination of tech-house. Thats what i listen to now. Imo the vast majority of trance today is garbage!!!! I am an openminded person and try to browse through most categories on bp.
then 1997 +: In general back then the underground trance sounded very diff from today. The sound was way more bare - less pads, sound saturation, less wet percs etc. (thats why imo some subvarities of techno and prog house of today more closely correspond to that trance than modern trance), the melodies were generally more spacey/enigmatic/HYPNOTIC as opposed to plain cheesy/sentimaental today, there was much less vocals/massive break downs.
today: trance is dead
I applaud you Vanos, this essentially sums up my opinion on the EDM I listen to today and the evolving Trance that spans more than a decade ago.
yankeeBaby
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Originally posted by Takayuki
Let me start off by apologizing to you and anyone else who fall into the post 2005 category... thats not something you or I can change now. Getting defensive is just natural but when we "elitists" talk about the golden years, it wasn't just about listening to music, it was everything about the scene that was so surreal that no words or amount of replays of tracks from that time could ever let you imagine what you missed out on. The entire vibe from said era was and I will repeat with shear passion in my voice "MAGICAL!".
When I say I lost respect for Trance post 2005 its because the entire vibe, atmosphere, drugs and music completely changed so extravagantly (actually it started changing post 2001). The roller-coaster went downhill and has never come back up and while it may offend you, the truth of the matter is that only the people who experienced the changes year by year will understand where I am coming from. This is why the OP is so bitter, much like many of the people from this era... and why many people from that era no longer listen to Trance. At the end of the day it doesn't matter how many pills you gobble up nor was it about you or anyone else trying to appreciate those years, it was about the experience in and of itself that can longer be duplicated, emulated, or replicated.
I actually totally agree with you. No need to apologize! :) Just because you *prefer* a certain music, vibe, era, doesn't mean that you are *stuck* there....People move on, experienc and search for new things, and are simply grateful for having lived in such an incredible "era" (I put era in quotes considering it was a mere 5, 10, 15 years ago, depending on who's opinion it is). Thats how I view my love for the music in those years :) :) Absolutely incredible and happy to have lived through it <3 <3
Dinoz2013
Thank You All for the Posts...where to start...
I won't lie. I got into Dance/House/Trance and realized I was way behind.
I also knew there were MANY songs out there that I liked, but I never delved into the scenes (Haddaway, Ace of Base, Herbie, Salt n Peppa!!)
But certaintly, 97-01 can be argued as the "best time" for Trance, EDM in general. This was when I was getting into the Rave scene, understanding the evolution of the music, and wanting more.
But yea, after 05, it just aint the same. Not just for Trance, for ALL MUSIC in general.
To those who laugh at Ferry or Better of Alone, you're not listening properly. What you have to understand, it doesnt matter how complicated or how simple the music is, its about the feeling it gives you.
This is why House in the late 80's is good, why the Acid stuff from 89-93 is so good, why Dance was briefly popular from 93-97, and why 97-03, is really, the Prime Stuff.
If anyone has any objections, all I'll say is A TRIP IN TRANCE 1-6 and Classics are easily what you need to hear to experience some Great Trance.
too much posts to reply too, but seriously, I know my Music.
EDIT: Oh yea, the WIPEOUT Video games on Saturn, PSX, REALLY had MIND BLOWING soundtracks, and REALLY Got me into the Sound too.
OH OH AND CHEM BROS, CRYSTEL METHOD, DAFT PUNK, UNDERWORLD, some BIG NAMES THAT GOT BIG! Thanks to THEM!! MOBY
Takayuki
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Originally posted by yankeeBaby People move on, experience and search for new things, and are simply grateful for having lived in such an incredible "era". Thats how I view my love for the music in those years :) :) Absolutely incredible and happy to have lived through it <3 <3
Couldn't have said it any better. Thank you for understanding where I am coming from!!! :toocool:
srussell0018
When you say things along the lines of "people who were introduced to this music after 2005 have no idea what they're talking about" you're not stating your preference for music made prior to then. All you're doing is posting the same elitist bull "the music I like is better than yours" that we see time and time again here.
Don't try and backpedal and say that that's not what you were saying. Read your posts. What you were saying is tantamount to saying that anyone who didn't listen to trance before 2005 could never possibly appreciate the music produced before then, simply because they didn't live through it.
Forever Forward
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Originally posted by Takayuki
Let me start off by apologizing to you and anyone else who fall into the post 2005 category... thats not something you or I can change now. Getting defensive is just natural but when we "elitists" talk about the golden years, it wasn't just about listening to music, it was everything about the scene that was so surreal that no words or amount of replays of tracks from that time could ever let you imagine what you missed out on. The entire vibe from said era was and I will repeat with shear passion in my voice "MAGICAL!".
When I say I lost respect for Trance post 2005 its because the entire vibe, atmosphere, drugs and music completely changed so extravagantly (actually it started changing post 2001). The roller-coaster went downhill and has never come back up and while it may offend you, the truth of the matter is that only the people who experienced the changes year by year will understand where I am coming from. This is why the OP is so bitter, much like many of the people from this era... and why many people from that era no longer listen to Trance. At the end of the day it doesn't matter how many pills you gobble up nor was it about you or anyone else trying to appreciate those years, it was about the experience in and of itself that can longer be duplicated, emulated, or replicated.
After that, I got very into Markus and other trance DJs such as Andy Moor, Menno De Jong, Blake Jarrell, Myon and Shane 54, Lange, Marco V, and Gareth. My tastes have since shifted more to techno and really a variety of genres, my current favourite DJs to listen to being: Richie Hawtin, Robert Babicz, Manuel De La Mare, Digweed, Christian Smith, Kaiserdisco, Villalobos and while I still listen to all those trance DJs (even though they get me less excited than they used to), my favourite trance DJs right now are Above & Beyond.
Dinoz2013
Really if anybody is having trouble finding lost Techno music, di.fm is all you need.
Also ishkurs? directory is great to MAP OUT the Evolution of Electronica.
Seriosly though, the truest form of Trance is GOA PSY, Progressive is where its at but you need builds to keep me interested, and great Trance uses Harder Sounds mixed with Light stuff to truly Create and Experience.
OH OH And Panning LEFT and RIGHT Actually TUNES YOUR BRAIN IN SYNC, but that would be a whole nother thread.
PS: EVERYONE GO CHECK DJ YAHEL!!
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCadcBR95oU
Takayuki
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Originally posted by srussell0018
anyone who didn't listen to trance before 2005 could never possibly appreciate the music produced before then, simply because they didn't live through it.
russell, you are misconstruing my words. Once again it was not about appreciating the music from that time nor or any time for that matter. It was the SCENE that was different... everything about it had an underground feel to it. It was a gathering of people who did not care how you dressed or what you looked liked, or how many bottles you were popping that night... but neither you, I or anyone else could have prevented the music going from abandoned warehouses to sardine packed fashion shows that clubs are today. The change was inevitable just like the stereotypical view that Trance and EDM for that matter has gone completely commercial.
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Originally posted by Takayuki
I truly believe anyone introduced into "Trance" post 2005 truly have no idea what they are talking about.
It was quite harsh to say this statement but to be more specific and to get away from this whole elitist era bashing... what I intended to say is along the lines of what Vanos has posted. That the "Trance" sound from 97+ was much more bare sounding with more of a hypnotic/spacey feel to it whereas the Trance post 2005 has more of a fluffy/cheesy sound to it with more vocals, longer break downs etc. Its not like EVERY single track produced from post 2005 was unbearable or anything, just the majority was getting away from that type of spacey sound it initally started with. More genre splicing and hybrid sounds were created, which is fantastic but like you are passionate about the experiences and sound you enjoy, I am too and it was apparent to me that the "new Trance" was sounding like a mockery in comparison to what I was initially introduced to. Much like how Vinyl DJ's thought digital DJs were making a mockery of the art of DJing in general... it took quite awhile for digital DJ's to be accepted but like I was saying, everyone and everything changes and we all roll with the punches... if we no longer like something we usually look for something else that tickles our fancy.
