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What do you think of a lineup like this ? (pg. 3)
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| Marcus007 |
Really? But there's usually that big open space between house room and the back loges? Unless that space is reserved?
Big O is the only other option then... unless you do a tent festival style party in the summer a la Dance Valley, etc. |
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| gimmebeatz |
i have to agree the lineup is good aside from the first and last stages (but those draw the mainstreamers in) but this is the one reason why im not a huge fan of festivals. hour and a half sets suck! id much rather see less headliners at a stage for longer periods of time.
i think time warp in germany really nails it on the head better than anyone when its comes to an over the top lineup, but still long, quality sets that are worth the fans (and DJs) time.
last year alone:
sven vath = 4 hours
carl cox = 2.5 hours
luciano vs carl craig = 4 hours
richie hawtin closed out main stage for 6 hours!!
(as well as a few others im forgetting)
those right there are techno legends and more importantly your moneys worth as a fan letting those DJs take you on their own unique journey of a set |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus007
Really? But there's usually that big open space between house room and the back loges? Unless that space is reserved?
Big O is the only other option then... unless you do a tent festival style party in the summer a la Dance Valley, etc. |
it is established by the fire Marshall for security reasons. a huge portion of the island is also needed for logistics. |
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| Ravemontreal |
The point of my post was not so much about going back in time and do what 514 Productions were doing.
My point was that they had a vision beyond the simple fact of putting the top 10 DJs in the same room.
The EXPERIENCE was more than numbers. SONA was more than a DJ.
And with time, we forgot why, and think that Sona was big because of Tiesto.
From all the players in Montreal, you have the instinct and the contacts to pull off something like this.
What I am saying is, find the reason why you are doing this beyond the goal of having 50,000 people.
And I would def cut down stage 2-3-4 with at least 3 hours set each
| quote: | | sven vath = 4 hours carl cox = 2.5 hours luciano vs carl craig = 4 hours richie hawtin closed out main stage for 6 hours!! |
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| FunKenLouis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ravemontreal
The point of my post was not so much about going back in time and do what 514 Productions were doing.
My point was that they had a vision beyond the simple fact of putting the top 10 DJs in the same room.
The EXPERIENCE was more than numbers. SONA was more than a DJ.
And with time, we forgot why, and think that Sona was big because of Tiesto.
From all the players in Montreal, you have the instinct and the contacts to pull off something like this.
What I am saying is, find the reason why you are doing this beyond the goal of having 50,000 people. |
I hear what you say and thanks for the kind words
The only thing is that I would love to bring back the experience ... but the best way to do so is now to go backwords
Build the hype around the event with a monster lineup, use the mainstream factor to reach as many people as possible for the first edition and then focus on the vibe for the following years
Back when 514 were doing parties, 3 factors were totally different
1) all this was pretty much new
2) djs were cheaper
3) the drugs were good
Now the younger clients are used to make friends online, have 20000 tracks on their ipods and prefer vodka and weed over beer and speed
Let's build a hype, create something new and then shape it the way we want it :) |
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| zeKsg |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunKenLouis
I hear what you say and thanks for the kind words
The only thing is that I would love to bring back the experience ... but the best way to do so is now to go backwords
Build the hype around the event with a monster lineup, use the mainstream factor to reach as many people as possible for the first edition and then focus on the vibe for the following years
Back when 514 were doing parties, 3 factors were totally different
1) all this was pretty much new
2) djs were cheaper
3) the drugs were good
Now the younger clients are used to make friends online, have 20000 tracks on their ipods and prefer vodka and weed over beer and speed
Let's build a hype, create something new and then shape it the way we want it :) |
is that a positive on the CLR stage :)))))))) |
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| Passskal |
Louis congrats on your success at Black and Blue.
I'm with you on this one. Dreamers > haters. Not enough people take risks in this city (in this province actually), that is why we are very poor... we wait for others (the government) to solve our problems. That pretty much killed the entrepreneurship fiber in us.
Looking at the performance of Deadmau5 at metropolis, piknic, Mutek, Bal en Blanc, Igloofest and the Dubstep nights, I also believe that there is something to do again in this city. My original thought was a huge outdoor festival but there are so many in this city plus there's Zoofest in NYC... So perhaps the multi-room massive is the way to go.
Come up with a solid business plan and other players will listen (piknic, playground, produkt..).
Where it may be harder is to find sponsors to absorb the fixed costs. Companies are cutting left and right and the sponsorship business is gonna be dead for the next two years. Plus there is the negative reputation of massive rave events that could scare off major partners. You need to position yourself carefully. Go for the mass appeal.
That being said, such a huge event with international visibility would make a few companies drool (you have to build a solid sponsorship package).
I think it can be done. Montreal is a small market with lots of competition so the inclusion of other partners is key. Trust me, we all dream of such an event so I think you could find a good response from other producers in town. Especially if you take on most of the workload... |
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| Spin Laden |
I think ticket price should be a big factor too. The idea sounds much like booking Tiesto at Bal en Blanc but it didn't have that omph (ie booking acts that leave a resounding impact on the patron) and the ticket price kept BeB from reaching big numbers this year, I think.
Also, when would you do a festival like this? Timing is everything as well, as you don't want it to clash with other events, etc.
But yeah, I think the opportunity is there. If the organisers can work as smart as they do hard, it can be done, imo. |
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| zeKsg |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spin Laden
I think ticket price should be a big factor too. The idea sounds much like booking Tiesto at Bal en Blanc but it didn't have that omph (ie booking acts that leave a resounding impact on the patron) and the ticket price kept BeB from reaching big numbers this year, I think.
Also, when would you do a festival like this? Timing is everything as well, as you don't want it to clash with other events, etc.
But yeah, I think the opportunity is there. If the organisers can work as smart as they do hard, it can be done, imo. |
I don't think the ticket price will make a difference people will pay 150$ to see deadmau5 play for 2 hours. |
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| Adam420 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
the reason it is boring is because as Martin said...too many cooks spoil the broth.
festival sets are about guys dropping their hits and leaving. no cohesive party. |
Man I don't get this! To me it looks boring because these are the same names that get booked here over and over and over and over. People will never get to know new names if promoters keep bringing the same DJs time and time again. And if it's the same DJs as always, what's actually the point?
FFS, people's horizon's will never be broadened if promoters keep feeding them the same stuff every year. |
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| Spin Laden |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ravemontreal
The point of my post was not so much about going back in time and do what 514 Productions were doing.
My point was that they had a vision beyond the simple fact of putting the top 10 DJs in the same room.
The EXPERIENCE was more than numbers. SONA was more than a DJ.
And with time, we forgot why, and think that Sona was big because of Tiesto.
From all the players in Montreal, you have the instinct and the contacts to pull off something like this.
What I am saying is, find the reason why you are doing this beyond the goal of having 50,000 people.
And I would def cut down stage 2-3-4 with at least 3 hours set each |
+1
it's def a new generation like Louis said, with more fragmented tastes, etc, but we can never underestimate what a impactful dj set can do to its audience. So while it's good to see some djs on there that are capable of doing that, the timeslots (order and duration) should also be hugely considered as well. |
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| FunKenLouis |
What is cool with a lineup like this is that 90% of the artists are coming from the main agencies in North America (William Morris, Amonly, Spin, Bullit etc)
Therefore it is easier to get deals within the agency and lock in dates for the rest of the year
Issues are availabilities but if it's held around March-April ... artists coming out of Ultra + Wmc will stay around for an event like that
Obviously timeslots are vague, I only wrote this down while I couldnt sleep last night
But Black & Blue gave me faith again and I think it can be done if properly executed
Btw, outdoor is too hard ... people buy their tickets way too close to the event and the weather s you hard ... especially in Quebec
I'm getting used to it as I manage numbers at Beachclub. Had 500 for Benny Benassi last year because of the ty weather .... would have had 4 to 5000 if they announce sun and heat |
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