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DJs vs. Producers (pg. 3)
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| Nicolas Oliver |
| quote: | Originally posted by meriter
If you're a producer you should get out there and play your own music imo. |
| quote: | Originally posted by mnw479
I definitely think that producing takes more skill than djing. |
+1. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by sterilis
i've been to gigs and the dj has cleared the dancefloor because he played music the pilled up clubbers didn't like so to think clubbers would dance to anything when their pilled up is wrong. now don't get me wrong if your at a david guetta gig or tiesto then your theory works. go to a dave clarke gig and tell me that he's . never seen a dj put so much thought and effort in a set in my life. so much so that he never looks at the crowd hes constantly mixing, arranging live remixing putting on quite a show. |
A good DJ should always have his eyes on the crowd. It's just common sense. |
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| meriter |
depending on the scale of the venue a lot of club owners don't always want to pay for the talent and also the audience doesn't demand it. Pretty much every novice DJ or banal top 10 d-bag will play for free (or for free entry/drinks) so depending on where you are your scene could end up over-saturated with the d-bags. Until club owners and the general audience hold things to a higher standard it will continue on
if dance music as sylvannas says is just about having fun and not thinking then it seems silly to expect much out of it as an artform. Right? I mean it's like going to a metal concert and complaining there isn't enough melody.... that's not the thing it's supposed to be |
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| MSZ |
| im planning hard to establish a progressive night around here, but there is so much sh1t to account for, its actually pretty tough to start unless you're doing it illegally, or partially illegal. making dat monies for the summer. progressive here is crud, there are some psy prog and some technoish prog parties but there is no classy prog being played at all, and already got screwed by a promoter so i doubt i want to work for anyone. im not even sure if its worth it at all, the crowd is usually uneducated as hell, but we'll see. |
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| Rodri Santos |
for me producing is to music what going to the university is to business, you don't know how (or do) but those djs who produce are generally better than those who don't because they understand better the structure of the tracks, the equalizers, what is catchy and what is not etc... and those who studied economics are arguably better at business than those who didn't.
Imo djing is so ing easy nowadays specially with digital stuff that now staying on top is really really difficult but hey, if you are dedicated people notice it, i know djs that play every gig the same set because they can't do much more and in the end people get bored and don't make a career out of it like others who struggle their head at the studio do. |
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| MeltdownZA |
All the worlds top DJ's are surely producers??
I mean c'mon almost anybody can get up on some stage and mix on 2 and perhaps 3 decks. If you look at the top DJ list how many names there actually don't produce music?? |
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| Rebel Brown |
| There might be hype for those DJs in a local context, but they'll soon realise that without any of their own productions under their belt then it's very unlikely they'll actually get anywhere. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by MeltdownZA
All the worlds top DJ's are surely producers??
I mean c'mon almost anybody can get up on some stage and mix on 2 and perhaps 3 decks. If you look at the top DJ list how many names there actually don't produce music?? |
Have you ever done this? |
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| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
A good DJ should always have his eyes on the crowd. It's just common sense. |
Yes. Never ever look at the decks, you have to maintain an intimate eye contact with the crowd at all time, or the music WON'T BE AS GOOD!!!!
You guys are such a whining group of jellios little bitches. Yeah. post about your dj-hate on the internet, that'll be sure to get you laid! |
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| MeltdownZA |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Have you ever done this? |
I've never played in a club myself, I never had the desire to, but I mixed on a pair of 1210's for many years and even within a month or two of learning to mix I was pushing out some banging sets.
Every second person I knew in the music scene was doing the same.. a lot of them would be playing in the local clubs and each had their own style, and as long as they played good tunes and the mixing was decent, the people would love it.
My point is it really isn't that difficult to mix tunes together, sure some are better at it but how would you compare a DJ in the top 50 to the DJ in the top 250 if all they did was mix and didn't produce any of their own music? If they both played exactly the same style of music andf you were blindfolded and listening to two sets they mixed, would you be able to tell the difference? Would the mixing be more crisp and fluid from the top 50 DJ over the top 250 DJ?? I don't think so... at that level both would have very clean mixes that would be very hard to distinguish.
Now take production, the reason most of those top DJ's are there is because they all have great hits they've produced or remixed, and of course then they've gone along, marketed themselves properly and played them all over the world.
But I don't see a DJ getting into the top unless they've marketed themselves very well and managed to make good friends and play in lots of gigs all over the place to establish their name... but does this mean they still mix better than anybody else? |
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| johncannons1 |
I was djing out in the Sydney club scene for a bit. I picked up DJing quite quickly except producing is taking a lot longer! :P
I definitely think producing takes a billion times more skill!
Now bare in mind I'm not talking about the really good hip hop djs like grandmaster ;) |
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| -FSP- |
I mean, I respect DJs and all but I would rather see a DJ who produces than a DJ who doesn't produce. I also want to see DJs who are more idiosyncratic, I don't want to see a damned wobble night, combined with top 40 remixes and mashups with the occasional electro song here or there because EVERY NIGHT does this here where I live. I personally go to see the DJ, I'm a chinstroker, so what? Sue me.
It's also pretty disappointing that the MSZs of the world seem to be having trouble with gigs, but some random jobber DJ who knows a lot of people and likes dat "new techno rnb " is getting more gigs than MSZ.
I mean, I want these new kids to trickle down to acts like the MSZs of the world. How are these new kids who are curious about this 'bloop bleep stuff' going to trickle down to acts like him in North America?
/facepalm |
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