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DJs vs. Producers (pg. 4)
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| ravan |
To put out a counterpoint - I believe DJ'ing on a serious level takes a lot of effort -both on skills but maybe even more so on track selection, review, set creation etc.
Yes beatmatching isnt the hardest thing in the world anymore, but picking the right tracks that make the night, and making them work together, while keeping it interesting - not just putting on a 'itunes playlist' - isnt just a walk in the park.. Also consider the rigs of today - you have a significant amount of creative tools at your disposal - filters, effects, sampling, multi decks etc. This, i would argue, is akin to a form of producing - except live and you cant just go back and retry.. if you mess up, people know it. instantly...
I DJ'ed for 5-6 years in college and after - the usual top 40 stuff, a bit of edm, some oldies etc.. Free drinks, lots of ladies - all that :) Good times - wasnt hard at all. I'm now into pure edm and try to study what the "pro's" do.. and its a completely different game. I seriously admire some of our locals here on TA that i've met and heard live - they put real time into it, not just a random tour-de beatport top 10 ...
All that said, yes producing is a ton of work, skills and creative genius too.. Just thought someone should chime in with some thoughts on why DJ'ing now isnt 'just beatmatching some tracks' up on a higher level. As with most things you can do it 'ok' pretty easy, but being in the top tier takes serious skill/effort in my opinion. |
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| Andy28 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ravan
To put out a counterpoint - I believe DJ'ing on a serious level takes a lot of effort -both on skills but maybe even more so on track selection, review, set creation etc. |
Bollocks :) |
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| mnw479 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ravan
To put out a counterpoint - I believe DJ'ing on a serious level takes a lot of effort -both on skills but maybe even more so on track selection, review, set creation etc.
Yes beatmatching isnt the hardest thing in the world anymore, but picking the right tracks that make the night, and making them work together, while keeping it interesting - not just putting on a 'itunes playlist' - isnt just a walk in the park.. Also consider the rigs of today - you have a significant amount of creative tools at your disposal - filters, effects, sampling, multi decks etc. This, i would argue, is akin to a form of producing - except live and you cant just go back and retry.. if you mess up, people know it. instantly...
I DJ'ed for 5-6 years in college and after - the usual top 40 stuff, a bit of edm, some oldies etc.. Free drinks, lots of ladies - all that :) Good times - wasnt hard at all. I'm now into pure edm and try to study what the "pro's" do.. and its a completely different game. I seriously admire some of our locals here on TA that i've met and heard live - they put real time into it, not just a random tour-de beatport top 10 ...
All that said, yes producing is a ton of work, skills and creative genius too.. Just thought someone should chime in with some thoughts on why DJ'ing now isnt 'just beatmatching some tracks' up on a higher level. As with most things you can do it 'ok' pretty easy, but being in the top tier takes serious skill/effort in my opinion. |
In my opinion, if you're adding samples and complex effects to tracks, that's a live show, not really dj'ing. |
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| Andy28 |
| When was the last time you saw a dj that you paid £20 to get into the club and thought I can't do that? |
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| MSZ |
its much easier to become at a "presentable" level with djing. , this radio station im on, there is so many cruddy djs that cant even understand flow let alone good mixing.
tune into my shows when i post them in the dj promotion forums, although if you're looney and expect scott project then dont even bother. one on the 3rd coming up. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
Djing should be a live show. A good dj, one that does work before hand, his/her own edits, which I suppose would require production skills , is not so easy.
You need both to be true lily good, a flair for performing, and the talent to give something that is impressive, unique and only something you would get from that dj.
Some producers should never step on stage ever, some djs are so bad at music that they should just stop.
The issue is not really the djs or producers but a crowd that can't tell or demand a standard. You can't fault a guy to be ty dj if someone is going to pay him. Her. 1000.
The EDM scene is weird like that. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by MSZ
its much easier to become at a "presentable" level with djing. , this radio station im on, there is so many cruddy djs that cant even understand flow let alone good mixing.
tune into my shows when i post them in the dj promotion forums, although if you're looney and expect scott project then dont even bother. one on the 3rd coming up. |
What City do you live In? |
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| Looney4Clooney |
You keep trying to get a rise, you seem to want to dj, and I find it funny that I could make a phone call in the 3 metropolitan areas and get that for you. So I was just curious. You really have nothing to gain by making people not really want to do you favors. Ifyou plan to dj, you need to learn the art of making people like you.
The scot project thing is kinda annoying. I don't think he is a great dj for the record.
Ps , I was born and raised in Canada. |
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| MSZ |
im not trying to get a rise anymore, im just saying, dont listen to my sets, you're wasting your time there.
i did want to dj, but over the year i have and now i dont unless under conditions that i wont have lined up for me probably. too much dick sucking and such, you know how it is. ill be making one more final push in the summer probably. so i guess i still want to dj, but under different circumstances, i do love performing even though im very shy. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
Why would you assume I won't like it. I listen to everything. I do think most club owners and audience will not enjoy a dj that restricts his / her music to one genre. If you are a club dj, you really have to have broad tastes. Your strategy of setting up a genre night will be a hard sell. If you can't play across the board , club djing is not for you. The only types of places that will do that is an up scale lounge. That's it. Where the music is supposed to be there but ignored.
And this is your scene. I might an idiot but I'm just a spectator. You have a vested interest so why you would use that energy like that isn't going to help you. |
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