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DJs vs. Producers (pg. 9)
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| MSZ |
| can you make a playlist and mix it for us, there are a few of us here that would love to listen to it im sure, show us what ur all about without the crowd interaction. i dont think this request ludicrous at all, im sure others can chime in. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
you don't seem to get it,
there is no crowd. There is no interaction. Everyone listening to it could be somewhere else. And reading a crowd , i mean people say ya i read crowds but like if I were to ask you
how many girls are dancing
how many guys
how many of those are gay
what clothing are the girls wearing, heels ?
What are they drinking, alcohol ?
Are they on drugs. If so , are they all on the same drugs
How much energy would you say the crowd has
how much time do you have left
Can you remember who is dancing where, and when they stop ?
Can you differentiate between people moving and people dancing because they love the music.
On a scale from 1 to 10, how is the energy level.
How many people at the back are standing.
How long are people in the washroom for
This is what a good dj does. They can look at a picture, and notice all these things as they all play a part. |
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| MSZ |
| so you're telling me you cant express a journey for us to listen to? |
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| Looney4Clooney |
nope. It would mean something to me, but anyone else, you have no control over that. A surgical mix that is coherent and intentional, sure but this would be for you and honestly , if you don't llike thriller, i mean you won't like it. I mean i just don't understand anyone into dance that doesn't like thriller.
what will end up happening, you will skip to the tracks , and they won't be progressive and the mix will be ty because you don't like anything but progressive.
And this journey bs, i mean lets not bull. You are playing tracks, that impact people emotionally. You use this information, you observe the results and adjust accordingly.
That list of questions. Are people drunk, are they high. Sounds silly. Trust me, knowing how people are feeling makes it easier to manipulate those emotions. |
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| MSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
nope. It would mean something to me, but anyone else, you have no control over that. A surgical mix that is coherent and intentional, sure but this would be for you and honestly , if you don't llike thriller, i mean you won't like it. I mean i just don't understand anyone into dance that doesn't like thriller.
what will end up happening, you will skip to the tracks , and they won't be progressive and the mix will be ty because you don't like anything but progressive. |
stop bringing up thriller i was trolling you like i said.
but since you keep trolling, you're really just a retard after-all. let me know when you man up, but welcome to my ignore list you tool. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
then admit thriller is a good track. I honestly think your progressive oath you signed at some online dj radio won't let you. You spent a lot of energy saying i have awful taste. I listed thriller, pfunk old school snoop , early filtered disco house.
So until you can admit thriller is a ing tune, you are pretty much the same as any scenester where the music isn't important as much as being able to say you are into it. It shows you aren't able to stop posturing and be real with yourself. Yo u are somewhat an archtype. Like the metal guy saying he likes EDM. Won't happen. Why goth kids only listen to goth. It is a scene for you. And i get that. PEople like to feel a part of something. But djing , well you are trying to make others feeel apart of something and making it about you isn't a great strategy.
And well i guess you wont' see it but ignoring people that have different ideas for that reason is pretty much the same behaviour at work. You have your box You feel safe. And anything outside it, you don't want anything to do with it. You listen to something, and the first thought is not whether i like it ,basically if goes something like this
if progressive : then list function [artists] Return 1 if artist is considered cool by my scene, else return 0 else return 0 if not progressive.
1 : this tune rocks
0: man this is such commercial junk
your loss . |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
code:
tuneReaction [] = []
tuneReaction (x:tuneList) | x == progressive = "This tune rocks!" : tuneReaction(tuneList)
| otherwise = "Man this is such commercial garbage!" : tuneReaction(tuneList)
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I'm not sure what this all means, but it seems relevant and hilarious.
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| Rodri Santos |
| something somehow expected from someone whose nickname starts with Vector :P |
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| colione98 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Evolve140
In my town the DJ hype is exploding, and all I do is mock them all because they can't produce and haven't made an effort. Seems like standing behind the decks with the booze and bitches actually KEEPS you from making your own legit tunes. Dance music culture is sad and pathetic. Needless to say I don't have many DJ friends anymore. Found the best and brightest producers with the most potential in this town and turned my back on the drunk electronic-derby trendster DJs who refuse to learn how to make music. All I want them to start doing is learn how to make music, this "I love techno" and "everyone's a DJ" bull is starting to get out of hand. If you can't produce, shut the up and get the out! Thoughts? |
First time poster- not trying to rub shoulders but this thread needs addressing- in my own opinion as I am one man with one opinion.
The above quote is exactly why dance music is in the state that it's in. Because you can easily toss djing as if its some unknown or lost species. As if the art form of djing started and will end with electronic music. There are djs and there are producers. Some producers and great dj, some djs make great producers, and some of each make ty of each other. But this notion that you need to quickly learn how to make tunes is ridicules.
The reason why the current state of techno is so is because any chump with the lack of creativity can get on a computer and bang out tracks in a few hours- not to say that great tunes can't be banged out in an hour- but the accessibility factor leads to less creativity due to the notion that you must produce as an EDM dj... Then why separate the 2 forms with entirely different skill sets as the ENTIRE IRONY OF IT ALL IS THAT - you make tunes TO GET GIGS!!!!!!!
cause no money is made off of producing tracks. Which now leads to ty ass djs because guys like you wants everyone to produce....
I am a dj first- I create edits to play as a dj. I have created tracks and had them out on beat port but now sound cloud has come into play and every damn dj as 50 tracks in a span of 1 month- yes quite a few are quality but is that the objective? to turn producer and bang out 50 tracks a month on sound cloud only to realize that you still need a manager to to push your ?
djing is an art so let it thrive as such. Djing did not start with EDM- and therefore if you want it to be that we should just sell our decks to become producers then come up with another name for EDM djs and not discredit those that love the art form....
I appreciate producers just as the next dude cause im a ing dj and i play other people's good tunes. I have so many ladies and men always ask me for the tracks that I play and for cds because they enjoy the music that I play from great producers and would like to listen to them in their homes- and play at prominent lounges in MIAMI AND FT LAUDERDALE- as well as renowned lounges- Like SET, Gryphon, Nikki Beach, Segafredo- all 3....
You youngins don't understand the business- its more than 1 folded. 50 cents still rhymes on dj mixtapes- its getting and giving back to the streets. EDM cats don't understand the roots and appreciation. Frankie knuckles is not known for his production anymore but is a GOD in Japan for his dj sets playing OTHER PEOPLE'S MUSIC!!!!
Dont discredit the art form because you are a producer- and your job lies with teaching other how to produce. How about teaching the ty djs that you observe how to dj and properly select tracks????
Whether a dj or producer- I embrace you- and if i come across your work and I like it, i will play the out of it. But don't dare impose one onto the other because that is ty.....
Lil Louis Vega- doesn't produce as nearly as he used to but when he djs, he brings his entire sound system and plays everything from old school classic latin, soul, hip hop, reggae, disco in between his house sets. Bringing your sound system to a club means that you are a ing dj first- not a producer!!!! |
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| colione98 |
And another thing- you keep pushing this producing stuff is what is causing the scene to be stagnant- cause they only know how to produce one genre like TECHNO cause the ty producers seriously lack creativity and sounds like a loop with a couple highs and vocal stabs...
When i hear djs, i want to hear open format house- that means anything and everything from Latin house, tribal, afro house, tech house, dream tech house, progressive, soulful, funky, and disco.
But there are so many djs that are producing that think it should just be one genre and stick to tech, tech tech tech tech tech, or progressive, progressive, or deep deep deep the whole entire night. No vocals, no guitar, no sax, no piano..
And they don't dabble in international vocals such as russian, latin, brazilian, romanian, italian vocals- nope, they won't touch it. But I will play it and that is why I get the respect because cater to the italians when i see the italians,- I play all the lates romanian house other than edward mya by Play & Win, dony, deepside deejays,. I play the dr kucho, moby, eric morillo, matan caspi, dinka, morgan page, mike newman, dj chus, patrick M, david penn....
You wanna produce fine- but try playing to a 30 and over lounge, or 4am at club space miami to bunch of coked up 20 year olds or a gryphon at the hard rock cafe for touristy crowds... Or like dj patrick m playing to a yound 20's white crowd in west palm beach then hit after hours in down town Miami the same night/morning to hit the south american tech, transexual, house heads on coke..... that is a ing dj!!! and I have to follow him cause I record his sets!!!!
That is talent- not to say that I am the best but I am still learning about the above crowds and that I what djing is all about- being able to play for the above different crowds and being praised for a great job- That's why roger sanchez can play a small intimate deep crowd like cielo and crash a big fat dutchy sounding festival like ultra and be praised by both crowds- that is talent, not telling someone to quit and to start producing...... end of rant :D |
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| colione98 |
and regarding djing- yes, djs do matter.
I can tell you that I see the listener feed from my radio station that gets broadcasted to 25 local latin america stations- I had to cut George Morel from the show because although a great man and dj, people would tune out during his sets. I even had to change up my friday night shows because the latin americans were not digging the soulful stuff. Its the weekend and people want to get down..
Bogdan taran from www.dancebox.net has the longest running dance radio show in the eastern european block and is heard in over 10 countries- as per his website. He rarely produces but owns a record lable amber muse, has two radio shows per week and features guest mixes.. He is known as a radio dj, not a producer but still produces and remixes quality tracks but is giving free tracks weekly by big producers. People can't live without his show cause he turns people out to tracks and he educates them.. Djs come in all forms friends.....
So djs do matter.
Even at restaurants that I dj at. I am called to dj at certain hotels and lounges because I have perfected the craft of the dinner rush. I know when, how, and what to play during certain times to get the tables to turn- this increases revenue by filling up tables and filling up waiter/waitress pockets with tips.. After 11pm is a totally different crowd and I have to cater to them.....
Its an art so tell me to produce and I will challenge you to play at all my spots which will employ you to spin everything under the house umbrella.... |
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