Originally posted by EgosXII
If you're smoking two packs a day, smoking's going to be pretty ing bad for you. I am unsure if moderate smoking is that bad for you.
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One in ten moderate smokers and almost one in five heavy smokers (more than 15 cigarettes a day) will die of lung cancer.
Not sure what they are defining as "moderate," but if 15 gives you a 10% chance of dying from lung cancer, a 5 per day regimen does not look so good.
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The point is its so black and white in this debate. Binge drinkers and alcoholics are looked down upon, and moderate drinkers are fine, but whats this, no matter how much you smoke you're a complete idiot business?
I think the difference is that smoking has negative effects at any level of consumption -- even if you smoke just one, you will smell like and stink up the space around you -- while alcohol consumption must be rather high for it to have negative effects at all.
enydo
why y'all gotta hate?
step off your high horses, please.
Rodri Santos
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Originally posted by Vector A
I've had a few nights where I smoked two or three cigarettes. Didn't get the appeal. Maybe you have to smoke for a couple weeks or something.
The common process of the addiction is:
-Someone gives you a cigarette once.
-Someone gives you another one, possibly other day.
-You start buying a cigarette to your smoker friends like "hey give me 3 cigarettes and i give you 2$"
-You start buying packets to go out, you smoke like 3-4 a night and save them for another day, here comes the danger, at wednesday you have cigarettes in your room and you feel like smoking one for the sake of doing it.
-You start smoking every day.
Actually i am a bit more worried about the fact that i drink 2 bottles of whiskey weekly.
zyklon-jay
i find that the more i masturbate, the less i smoke.
geroin
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Originally posted by Miss Pie
I didn't have to quit doing anything else. In fact I've been out for drinks a few times and didn't have any desire to smoke. It's all about how you frame your thoughts about cigarettes. If you tell yourself that you are depriving yourself of something by not smoking (this is essentially what willpower is, and why it doesn't work [willpower has the highest failure rate among people trying to quit]), then you will continue to feel like you're actually missing out. But what are you missing out on? Smelling gross? Giving yourself heart and lung disease? You're not missing out on anything, and you aren't being deprived of anything. Just using the words "giving up" is totally wrong and misleading. What are you giving up?
That's also why incentives don't work - because psychologically you're putting it in your mind that you're being deprived of something, and that you need to be rewarded for "being strong" and abstaining. When you put up on a pedestal in such a manner, you will continue to believe that you need it. When you don't.
The physical addiction isn't that bad. Why is that smokers can go all night when they sleep without having to wake up to smoke? Because nicotine withdrawal really only lasts about a half hour. Using patches, gum, etc...only serve to keep feeding that addiction, probably even more so than actually smoking. Which is also why they don't work, and why you (shocking!!) continue to crave nicotine.
The big thing is recognizing that, in reality, nobody actually enjoys smoking. If smoking was really as pleasurable as smokers convince themselves that it is - why aren't all smokers chain smokers, lighting one up after another? Because they know it's actually ing disgusting and not enjoyable at all. You may convince yourself that you enjoy inhaling it, and the taste - but you actually don't. You've only trained yourself to tolerate it over the years, and are now mistaking that for pleasure.
Nobody smokes that first cigarette when they're younger and says "I'm going to do this for the rest of my life! This is so good!" No, you thought "Wow this is gross, I'm certainly not gonna get addicted to this!" But you did. Furthermore, (if you have kids or know some young ones) you wouldn't hand them a pack of cigarettes and say "Here! These are great, you should take up smoking!" Because you know it's ing poison!
And all the people who think it helps you relax, or that you do it because you're bored...well it can't do both things. So which is it? Does it help you relax? Or help you be stimulated when you're bored? The fact is that you will get stressed or bored whether you smoke or not. And you will destress and find ways to not be bored whether you smoke or not. All you've done by smoking is add a cigarette to the equation - and now because you do it, you attribute whatever relief you get to smoking. When it isn't true at all.
Have you ever really paid attention to smoking while you're doing it? The taste? The sensation? The smell? Most smokers don't. But if you do, you will find you don't actually like it. And when you watch other people smoke you will see that it's a totally subconscious act.
And you will think about smoking. Of course you will. And that's fine. It doesn't matter that you think about it - it matters WHAT you think about it. Instead of thinking "Omg I need a cigarette!" Think about what that actually is (it's the nicotine addiction), and why you're telling yourself you need/want it, and reframe your thoughts to something positive, like "Ah yes, that's just the nicotine monster. Goddam, it's so great that I don't smoke, it's poison!" And when you watch smokers you should look at them with pity (just like Lunar Phase 7 said - you absolutely should feel bad for smokers), because they haven't escaped the brainwashing of nicotine addiction. And they're poisoning themselves!
And that's sort of a basic run down of how Allen Carr's The Easy Way works. :p
In the book he doesn't even tell you to stop smoking - in fact he encourages the reader to continue to smoke up until the last chapter (at which point the brainwashing should be just about undone) when you are told to smoke your last cigarette ever. I did it, and it was truly disgusting. I only smoked half of it because I felt so ing ridiculous - and I couldn't wait to put it out and know that I beat ing nicotine. :D
i read this book and i didnt quit smoking
whatever you described though is true, all of that is in the book
aNYthing
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Originally posted by pozz
the craving will never fully go. it lasts for years man. the nicotine replacement/supplement medications won't help you get rid of habituated motion of smoking either. a lot of the time you won't know what to do with your hands.
quit by not smoking, and if you get a mad craving, go have sex or something, or shiver a corner. don't try to replace it with something else.
basically, go monk-style.
Post-coital cig always felt awesome... So sex may increase desire for smoke. straight jackin' for now
de+
[QUOTE]Originally posted by geroin
i read this book and i didnt quit smoking
whatever you described though is true, all of that is in the book [/QUOTE
lol. the consensus is. If you want to. Quit
kaffe
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Originally posted by aNYthing
So, I just quit smoking last Sunday for what seems like a 100s time. Somehow I'm remaining optimistic that this is THE last time. Going through Nicorette lozenges like they are Tic Tacs and still craving a smoke, even though that toward quitting, I cut down to 1/3 pack a day.
Those that were able to quit successfully, congrats and - how did ya do it? Tips/suggestions?
If you wanna quit smoking cigarettes you shouldn't eat candy with nicotine.
Bierheld
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Originally posted by Desiderata
This
Which type of E-cig did you try? Was it a Mod or a Penstyle (one that is shaped like a regular Cig) or was it one of the E-Go series?
It was a penstyle, pretty sure it was one from supersmoker since it's the only company that seems to advertise and sell them here.
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I can point you in a good direction for a PV (Personal Vapor Machine) to good quality Juices if you let me know what you are looking for?
i smoked 20 cigarettes today. i am a disgusting bastard.
aNYthing
Week 1. Damn, feels good to smell the air and taste the food. But , I'm on serious munch constantly. Forcing myself to chew veggies.. But munch is sure strong. wonder why
Fledz
Get some pistachios. They can take ages to get out of the shell so it slows you down, plus they are nutritious and delicious OM NOM NOM!
