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FAO ex-smokers (pg. 9)
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
Yeah, fair point man. Congrats on never smoking, excellent life choice there. In all honesty, I'm quite jealous.
*lights a cig* :( |
Like this! Stu, you're gay. If you wanted to quit you could. Obviously you enjoy smoking. Why apologise for that? Suck it down~~~~ :gsmile: |
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| Desiderata |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Why is there always so much praise for people who did something wrong and then changed but never any praise for those who never did anything wrong? I love the fact that people are giving up smoking, but people that never took it up don't seem to get a pat on the back.
Imma feel left out :( |
I think because you made such a wise choice in never smoking that people feel you are to smart for a pat on the back for never doing it. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
I don't do it because its cool |
Not any more, sure. What about when you started?
I totally did. I was 14 (maybe 15?) and did it because the cool kids did it, and I was an insecure, teenage retard. PLEASE ACCEPT ME.
ed up on that one pretty bad, LOL. I had some issues though :/ |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
Not any more, sure. What about when you started?
I totally did. I was 14 (maybe 15?) and did it because the cool kids did it, and I was an insecure, teenage retard. PLEASE ACCEPT ME.
ed up on that one pretty bad, LOL. I had some issues though :/ |
Nah, but I started smoking when I was older (about 19), which is pretty rare! There wasn't really any reason; I've never really been swayed by peer pressure (at least directly/consciously). A lot of my friends did smoke which is probably why I started, but it wasn't to 'fit in' or anything, it was just good fun while drinking, or partaking in other enjoyable activities, then it bled into more everyday life-- Smoke breaks are awesome.
Also, you didn't respond to my vicious attack on you :p |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
I smoke because its enjoyable. I don't do it because its cool, and I don't hate myself for it. I could quit if I wanted, but I don't want to. I don't see what's wrong with that. Its annoying how un-PC it is to smoke these days. Its like every smoker is meant to be ashamed of themselves. That's retarded; I don't know when it suddenly became a public issue what substance, or method any person uses to relax...? |
Because it's ing retarded. It would be like building walls out of asbestos now or lining instruments with lead. We know how bad it is for you and how it affects you, so why the would you do it?
The worst thing is it affects others around you too, not just directly through passive smoke but also increased healthcare costs and emotional impact.
You can do what you want, but there is absolutely no denying that you're a certified grade A moron if you take up smoking in this day in age. If they were a new product now, they would NEVER get approved. Never. There is no hope in hell they would ever be cleared by the regulatory bodies. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Because it's ing retarded. It would be like building walls out of asbestos now or lining instruments with lead. We know how bad it is for you and how it affects you, so why the would you do it?
The worst thing is it affects others around you too, not just directly through passive smoke but also increased healthcare costs and emotional impact.
You can do what you want, but there is absolutely no denying that you're a certified grade A moron if you take up smoking in this day in age. If they were a new product now, they would NEVER get approved. Never. There is no hope in hell they would ever be cleared by the regulatory bodies. |
I feel like doing a cool story bro, but I won't.
That's fine. Are alcohol, or any other drugs particularly good for you? No. What was the recent statistic for the amount of people who will get cancer? Like 60% or something? Do people who don't smoke remain healthy and not get cancer? No.
If you're smoking two packs a day, smoking's going to be pretty ing bad for you. I am unsure if moderate smoking is that bad for you. Statistics don't seem to ever define what the magic number is; and they generally use the same method that used to be used for Marijuana (one toke and you're DeAD). Of course, the problem is its entirely relative to the individual. Some people can smoke heaps and never see any serious side-effects, while others get totally screwed from it. And again, I don't really see how its THAT different than drinking, or taking other illegal drugs. I'm aware its bad for me, but I'm also aware that life is bad for me. Smoking is pleasurable, and removes a percentage of the negativity of everyday life.
Everything's bad for you in some way or another. Everything has side effects. For me the pleasure of smoking overrides the negatives of moderate smoking. I've known doctors who have considered 5 ciggarettes a day to be not-smoking. People who are going to be negatively affected by smoking (by diseases solely caused by smoking) are people who are smoking at least 2 packs a day generally. Just as its fine to have a drink every once in a while, I don't see what the big deal is about moderate smoking; when looking at the cost-benefit analysis of it all.
Also, don't get me started on the whole social responsibility BS. The government makes tens (or hundreds) of billions of dollars from tobacco sales in Australia. They made $12bn a year extra by raising the price of ciggarettes 10% last year, so add the other 90% and you have a pretty good nest-egg from which to 'care-for' those smokers...
The point is its so black and white in this debate. Binge drinkers and alcoholics are looked down upon, and moderate drinkers are fine, but whats this, no matter how much you smoke you're a complete idiot business? People who have no self-control and are burning through 5 packs a day are seen in the same light as someone smoking 5 cigarettes a day?? And you're actually claiming there is no perceivable difference? Its just idiotic. |
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| Fledz |
It's proven that just one cigarette causes harm. Alcohol doesn't. Strawman argument, try again.
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
Also, don't get me started on the whole social responsibility BS. The government makes tens (or hundreds) of billions of dollars from tobacco sales in Australia. They made $12bn a year extra by raising the price of ciggarettes 10% last year, so add the other 90% and you have a pretty good nest-egg from which to 'care-for' those smokers...
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Go look up how much associated costs because of smoking are, then come back here. Here's a hint, it's a multiple of the amount they earn on tax. That's before you've even counted the impact on other healthcare areas because of wasted time on respiratory issues which in most cases are preventable. The "tax revenue" argument is rubbish. |
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| Znack |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
Its annoying how un-PC it is to smoke these days. Its like every smoker is meant to be ashamed of themselves. That's retarded; I don't know when it suddenly became a public issue what substance, or method any person uses to relax...? |
There's a very strong "victim mentality" among smokers, but I honestly can't see the problem.
Its a personal habit no one has chosen for you, that strongly interferes and harms people around you, without having any purpose or benefit. If the discussion was about something else than smoking, it would quickly be prohibited. Tobacco is only allowed for the single reason that it has a long tradition.
For my part, people can smoke as much as they want in their own homes (at least if they have no children) and other places they do not share with others, but outside it's a matter of freedom to pursue a chosen habit Vs. freedom to escape from nuisances by other peoples choices. Number 2 should come first. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
I smoke because its enjoyable. I don't do it because its cool, and I don't hate myself for it. I could quit if I wanted, but I don't want to. I don't see what's wrong with that. Its annoying how un-PC it is to smoke these days. Its like every smoker is meant to be ashamed of themselves. That's retarded; I don't know when it suddenly became a public issue what substance, or method any person uses to relax...? |
If it's so enjoyable, how come you don't smoke 5 packs a day? Serious question. |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Pie
It's true though. I don't explain it as well as the book - but the physical addiction, like I said before, isn't actually as strong as made out in society. The physical addiction is actually the easy part to get over, and withdrawal only lasts about a half hour. After 3 days nicotine is completely out of the body, and the actual withdrawal symptoms are really so minor that most people don't even notice it(hence why smokers can go all night sleeping without having to light up).
The real problem is the psychological addiction/brainwashing about the "habit". And the reason you probably never got addicted to nicotine is because your mindset was already framed the right way about not smoking. Not everyone who has that first taste of nicotine becomes addicted. But the majority do. |
Hence the urge for first smoke of the day, after dinner, etc.
Makes perfect sense. |
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| MSZ |
| second-hand smoke probably ed me good. growing up my whole family smoked. i didnt really notice it then, but when someone smokes around me now i partially feel like im suffocating :( |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7
Hence the urge for first smoke of the day, after dinner, etc.
Makes perfect sense. |
It's also why smokers attribute "feeling relaxed" to ingesting nicotine. It's not truly them becoming relaxed, it's just them feeding the withdrawal symptoms with more nicotine. Withdrawal symptoms gone, now I can relax!
Physiologically, smoking does the exact opposite of "relax" a person. It causes increased heart rate and blood pressure and constricts blood vessels - and in the beginning it causes nausea and vomiting, until the smoker has built a tolerance to it. It's a stimulant! How is it that a stimulant can relax a person? :conf: |
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