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14 dead, over 50 injured, brutally murdered at Denver theatre during The Dark Knight. (pg. 13)
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| Joss Weatherby |
They should make people with a CCW take at least some basic courses in how to use their weapon safely in an actual situation... Even then though most people with a CCW are not police or military (and even then police rarely come under situations like this) and do not have the mental training to not just instantly freak out and start firing blindly with fear.
I have no doubt in my mind that there would be more dead in that theater if there had been people in there with CCWs. I am not saying that we should get rid of CCW, but at least attempt SOMETHING to make sure that they know how to use them right and with a degree of insight into how you should prepare yourself mentally for a situation like that.
On the other hand that is a rather depressing thought in regards to society. |
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| Lews |
Personally I think you should need a licence to own a gun and to get that licence you need to go through a series of courses on gun safety, as well as a mental evaluation.
Some guy at my work was quite surprised that no one in the theatre stopped the shooter. I asked him if he thought he'd be able to stop someone in body armor and a gas mask while tear gas was going off everywhere. He had to admit that that would make it quite difficult.
I'm all for guns, I actually went to the shooting range with a friend two weeks ago, but this country is so ing stupid in regards to who can buy them and our attitude towards them. MUST HAVE GUN FOR FREEDOM. MUST HAVE GUN TO PROTECT MYSELF. Do these militias really think they can stop a Predator Drone or an Abrams? Maybe they should ask the Taliban how useful assault weapons are when it comes to fighting our military. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Personally I think you should need a licence to own a gun and to get that licence you need to go through a series of courses on gun safety, as well as a mental evaluation.
Some guy at my work was quite surprised that no one in the theatre stopped the shooter. I asked him if he thought he'd be able to stop someone in body armor and a gas mask while tear gas was going off everywhere. He had to admit that that would make it quite difficult.
I'm all for guns, I actually went to the shooting range with a friend two weeks ago, but this country is so ing stupid in regards to who can buy them and our attitude towards them. MUST HAVE GUN FOR FREEDOM. MUST HAVE GUN TO PROTECT MYSELF. Do these militias really think they can stop a Predator Drone or an Abrams? Maybe they should ask the Taliban how useful assault weapons are when it comes to fighting our military. |
Yea, the anti-government crazies are pretty ing retarded when it comes to "protectin' my guns" cause yea... They aren't going to stop a main battle tank and I don't think most of these guys are out there purchasing AT-4s, SMAWs or Javelins to go fighting them in the streets.
On the other hand other guns will stop those same crazies just as easily and thats why I feel like I need to get a gun or two. :p I am not afraid of the government, I am afraid of the people that are afraid of the government. |
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| enydo |
| Seriously, if someone's main argument for extremely loose gun laws is along the lines of "WE NEED GUNS TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM GOVERNMENT", I'd say good luck with that. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
On the other hand other guns will stop those same crazies just as easily and thats why I feel like I need to get a gun or two. :p I am not afraid of the government, I am afraid of the people that are afraid of the government. |
I'm afraid the Easterners will cross the mountain barrier and try to kill us all :( |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| I've always advised putting korean style concrete tank traps I-90, 12, 2, and the other passes so as to prevent the right wing horde from invading. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
THIS. ing finally, someone gets it. |
This is the most common argument for gun regulation here in Brazil. People arm themselves to their teeth because they reckon they can shoot criminals back under extreme circumstances. If anything, the robber is more likely to steal the firearm than get shot by it... |
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
This is the most common argument for gun regulation here in Brazil. People arm themselves to their teeth because they reckon they can shoot criminals back under extreme circumstances. If anything, the robber is more likely to steal the firearm than get shot by it... |
FREEDOM!!!!:stongue: |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
This is the most common argument for gun regulation here in Brazil. People arm themselves to their teeth because they reckon they can shoot criminals back under extreme circumstances. If anything, the robber is more likely to steal the firearm than get shot by it... |
To play devil's advocate for a moment, do you have any statistics to back up robbers stealing firearms rather than being scared off or shot? It's the same argument here, on both sides, but I'm curious as to what the stats say. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
To play devil's advocate for a moment, do you have any statistics to back up robbers stealing firearms rather than being scared off or shot? It's the same argument here, on both sides, but I'm curious as to what the stats say. |
Hmm... I'm trawling Google for numbers but I can't find any reliable data :(
Unfortunately, I'm saying this based on anecdotal evidence, and I know how weak it is. Still, I'd be very surprised if the majority of gun owners rambo'd their way out of an armed robbery.
EDIT: FOUND! There was a survey investigating what happened in Rio when an armed robber attacked both an armed and a disarmed target: The odds of the target being shot was 180x higher if they were armed, and the chances of getting hurt was 57x higher if they had a gun. I found a document citing loads of sources (in Portuguese), but I can't verify them... |
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| Lagrangian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
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| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
To play devil's advocate for a moment, do you have any statistics to back up robbers stealing firearms rather than being scared off or shot? It's the same argument here, on both sides, but I'm curious as to what the stats say. |
Gun laws are much more strict in Brazil then they are in the USA. Many people in Brazil don't have a way of defending themselves like they do in the USA, which leaves them more open to things like being robbed. A lot of people simply rely on other people who are in gangs to protect them, which is obviously a bad thing to have to do. So obviously strict gun laws don't help the situation, they typically have the reverse effect. If a state makes it more difficult for people to protect themselves, they leave them wide open to attacks from crazy people who are going to get them anyway. |
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