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The Gay Thread (pg. 3)
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| CortexBomb |
Hmm, some insight here, and also some blather. As one of the resident gay people on the board I feel obligated to give some thought on this thread though...
First, what do I think of gay people? Well, that's one obvious since I'm gay myself, next question :p
The question of adoption...there seem to be two major opposition points to it:
#1: Religion based (ie: the Adam and Eve vs. Adam and Steve argument, etc.) which to me is an unarguable point...it's impossible to argue morals against people who have a religion that they interpret as saying something is wrong. So I won't waste my time here.
One thing I *do* need to refute here that's related to religion, but not necessarily only the view of relgious people is that being gay is "unnatural" which really couldn't be further from the truth. It's not the *norm*, but homosexuality occurs, and has been documented in countless other species. To say that it isn't natural implies that gay people have to actively choose their sexuality and that it flat out doesn't occur in other aspects of nature, which is untrue. I won't go into the whole nature v. life experience argument here, but many people, myself included, take the stance that it's like many things in life, partially genetic, and partially the result of your life, and science seems to be backing that split cause belief up for the time being at least.
#2: If kids have two parents, those two parents need to be of the opposite sex or the child will
A) be mentally screwed up
B) face harassment
Studies have been done that have disproved A, and vice versa, so there's really nothing conclusive to be said there. B is certainly true, but it's not as though harassment is anything unusual for kids to experience. Kids can be harassed if their parents are druggies, churchy, slutty, what-have-you. Gay is one more category that *can* result in harassment, but unfortunately that seems to be part of growing up.
I take offence to the notion that was passingly referred to on here that seems to imply that a disproportianate number of gay people are pedophiles, that's utter crap, and all of the studies done of pedophelia say so.
One of the things that bothers me is that lesbians have an inherent right to be parents (since one partner can just get pregnant by one of several methods) and that *that* doesn't seem to raise much hubris, but the concept of two *men* raising a child causes all kinds of hullabaloo. Much like the typical straight view of lesbians as "hot" while gay guys are seen as disturbing. It's just another double-standard, and one that I don't care for.
What bothers me is that people also lose sight of the fact that two gay people (at random) have the same capacity to be great, average, or horrible parents as straight people. I'd think most people would argue that having two fantastic guys as parents would be better than having two indifferent opposite sex partners. At least I'd hope so, because the major factor in self-esteem, and a well-adjusted childhood is that you have a support network, which loving parents can be a crucial factor in. What those people have between their legs should be inconsequential in comparison to what they have in their hearts IMHO. |
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| Endre |
| quote: | Originally posted by CortexBomb
One of the things that bothers me is that lesbians have an inherent right to be parents (since one partner can just get pregnant by one of several methods) and that *that* doesn't seem to raise much hubris, but the concept of two *men* raising a child causes all kinds of hullabaloo. Much like the typical straight view of lesbians as "hot" while gay guys are seen as disturbing. It's just another double-standard, and one that I don't care for.
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| HempKnight |
| There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, I have found that most homosexual people are usually more understanding and great to talk to when you have problems. I have gay and bi friends and they're awesome people, as for them being able to adopt I dont see a problem with that nor with same sex marriages. If it makes you happy do it |
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| erin_the_angel |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancegirl79
I have nothing against gays (I have few friends who are gays) but I think it must be very strange for a kid to have 2 dads or 2 moms.... I'm not sure if it's very good for their mental health...:conf: |
i think that it better to have 2 parents loving a child whether they are of opposite sexes or the same sex then it is to have children with onyl 1 parent. personally i think 2 people can give a lot more love to a child then just one, and the sex of the person shoudl not really matter, only that they care for the child :) |
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| bluejay |
| quote: | Originally posted by KilldaDJ
i personally have nothing against poo stabbahs, just the fact that they swing the wrong way
and abt the kids thing, no
they might turn that kid gay too or even worse, use him :eek: |
you're stupid :mad: |
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| bluejay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dmatrox
1. I think homos are okay, just as long as they dont speak funny (you know the way some gays (and a few straights) speak, like with a lisp) and dont try anything physical, im okay
2. In my opinion no. A child needs breast milk. Children also need a mother and a father, its natures way! |
you're stupid too :mad: |
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| quote: | Originally posted by bluejay
you're stupid too :mad: |
why are they stupid blue?
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| _The_Storm_ |
my theory about gay people is:
how more male homos there are, better.
how less lesbians are, better.
So more girls are left for the heteros like me
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ok, back to the "serious" thread again, |
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| Cyrus King |
| After reading peoples' thoughts on homosexuality.. i have come to the conclusion that many many many people are both mind numbingly stupid and annoyingly ignorant...those of you know who you are.....open your ing minds for god's sake and grow up.....people are people...who cares about their sexuality... we all bleed the same colour |
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| Arbiter |
I don't have any problem with homosexuals, but when it comes to adoption, I can't support the right of a homosexual couple to adopt at this time.
CoretexBomb pointed out that studies have been done to disprove the proposition that a child raised by homosexual parents will suffer psychological damage as a result. However, I've actually read the reports on several such studies, and in each case, I was disappointed by the lack of scientific responsibility in it's planning and execution. The sample groups were exceedingly small, and the criteria by which they determined whether or not any psychological damage had occurred were laregly limited to the evaluation of if any extreme damage had occurred, whereas the potential for the development of less severe problems was frequently overlooked.
While part of me would love to see more gay adoptions (after all, what are the chances their child could possibly grow up to be a religious extremist?), until such a time as I can be certain that the child's mental health would not be compromised in any way by this process, I cannot in good conscience support the right of a homosexual couple to adopt.
Cheers,
Arbiter |
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| erin_the_angel |
ok...to me it kinda comes down to this, a woman can have a kid no matter what, no questions asked, not matter if they care about the kid or not, and even if they are a horrible person,(ex...this girl i know brings home a different guy every night, doesn't even have proper food in her house for her child, and doesn't care to spend time with her but becasue she is a woman and can have a child there is no problem when in reality she doens't deserve to be a parent)
but why do we stop a couple of people who like the same sex that would be wonderful parents to have kids? |
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| quote: | Originally posted by erin_the_angel
ok...to me it kinda comes down to this, a woman can have a kid no matter what, no questions asked, not matter if they care about the kid or not, and even if they are a horrible person,(ex...this girl i know brings home a different guy every night, doesn't even have proper food in her house for her child, and doesn't care to spend time with her but becasue she is a woman and can have a child there is no problem when in reality she doens't deserve to be a parent)
but why do we stop a couple of people who like the same sex that would be wonderful parents to have kids? |
well said erin, this is interesting, maked me almost change my mind.
but, itīs still this nature thingy thats in the way, that i child should have a mom and dad, how horrible they may be.
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