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Fast food workers want $15/hr (pg. 3)
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| SaulTek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jon_Snow
I can't differentiate between the two oranges. |
Oh my, you really are a dunce, aren't you? |
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| jpisani |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Yes, the sheer audacity of demanding a living wage! |
Those jobs aren't made to live on though...I'm sure the manager can live off of their wage. I would love to be a career lifeguard, but guess what? You can't have a high school summer job and make a living off of it. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by jpisani
Those jobs aren't made to live on though...I'm sure the manager can live off of their wage. I would love to be a career lifeguard, but guess what? You can't have a high school summer job and make a living off of it. |
Those jobs aren't made for any other reason than to provide food to a paying customer as quickly and efficiently as possible.
To do that, the business requires at least SOME full-time employees. You need reliable, consistent people on the job to run a successful business.
Those full-time employees, at the very least, deserve to be paid a LIVING for what they do, and they don't necessarily need to be a manager to do so.
The 2-3 shift/week part time students, on the other hand, are much harder to make a case for. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
either scrap the minimum wage or make it a wage you can live on. Someone has to do those jobs. It isn't so much that they make so little but that others make so much more and that it seems ed up that everyone is ok that you live in a country were misery seems to be built into the actual law.
Thoe jobs are jobs. To defend the status quo by defining what you think those jobs are meant for is bull. And try living on 15$ in any city other than Montreal.
They can afford to pay them. They won't. They aren't going to move shop so why the not.
It is a job. its like stepping on the person that is already down. I just don't ing understand this hate for the poor. IF it affects anyone, it is the really rich. So why the do you care. Why does someone having a better life make your life worse. Who gives a if they earned it. They didn't earn to suffer. And the wage right now is a ing joke. |
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| OrangestO |
| $15 is too much. Some people with a degree and skills working in their fields are starting off at $15 or that range. Why the should a fast food worker make that much? What kind of incentive does that give people to strive for bigger and better things? Flipping burgers shouldn't mean being broke, but it shouldn't mean earning more than people who've gone to school. If anything, bump their wage up a few bucks and invest money into educational programs. Throwing money at the problem isn't going to solve it. How about making it a stepping stone for people, not a be-all end-all for an uneducated poor person in America. A job at McDonalds, unless you want to climb up the corporate ladder, shouldn't be the finish line. Make it an opportunity. |
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| srussell0018 |
| The University of McDonalds |
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| OrangestO |
What's wrong with sending people to trade school or college while they work for you?
I mean, those fast food places already have high turnover rates as it is. It's not like streaming people through would hurt them any more. People would be inclined to stick around if you provided these kind of benefits, IMO.
Opportunity > overcompensation |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by OrangestO
$15 is too much. Some people with a degree and skills working in their fields are starting off at $15 or that range. Why the should a fast food worker make that much? What kind of incentive does that give people to strive for bigger and better things? Flipping burgers shouldn't mean being broke, but it shouldn't mean earning more than people who've gone to school. If anything, bump their wage up a few bucks and invest money into educational programs. Throwing money at the problem isn't going to solve it. How about making it a stepping stone for people, not a be-all end-all for an uneducated poor person in America. A job at McDonalds, unless you want to climb up the corporate ladder, shouldn't be the finish line. Make it an opportunity. |
You're not going to smother hundreds of thousands of years of evolution that resulted in the unprecedented machination that is human ambition just by paying people enough to feed their families.
/Everyone/ benefits when the lower class is able to support itself. Yes, merely throwing money at the problem is not a long-term solution, you're right about that, and $15 an hour may indeed be high in some places (I'm thinking the mid-west), where it would totally affect the surrounding economy in rather catastrophic ways.
But the idea that 'these jobs aren't meant to last' is absurd, because there is perpetual demand for them; if anything should not be meant to last, it's the subsidizing of poor families by the government in the form of welfare programs; these programs are an unfortunate necessity, and people are forced to stay on them interminably. Don't trust the right-of-center narrative that insists these people spent all their money on bubblegum- it's because they're trying to support 2 children on $8 a ing hour because the wealthiest family in the ing world is allowed to get away with it. |
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| OrangestO |
No where in my posts did I say anything about demand. My concern revolves around what you mentioned in your post: the surrounding economy and industries. I get it, if we pay them more we won't have to invest as much in programs that help to support them now. OK...
But if we bump their wages, shouldn't other people who have more skills, a higher education, and greater potential earn more as a result too? If you make $25 or $30 per hour right now it doesn't mean much to you, but to someone like me who just graduated and is just starting out at a relatively low pay scale (and paying back the government the money they lent me to go to school in the first place), it seems like a bad rap.
Oh yea, the greater good of society. I get it. But SOMEONE has to pay, whether it's the person who doesn't have the skills/education or the person that does and isn't getting properly compensated for it. Like I said, bump their wages a few bucks and offer them opportunities to get in the classroom (whether trade school or college). If they want to make more, then surely take advantage of it, no? |
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| OrangestO |
Another thing. People in this country love to live above their means.
Frankly, I make $13/hour. I have a $450 debt I'm paying back to government. I wouldn't have gotten this job unless I got my degree. Sure, it sucks now, but it's a long-term investment I've made in myself.
No, I can't live in my own apartment (have a roommate). No, I can't lease a car (I drive a used Honda Accord that I paid in full). I'm living below my means so one day I can reap the benefits of all my HARD WORK and SACRIFICE.
So yea, when I hear that burger flippers want to make more than me I get a bit defensive. I've flipped burgers in my life, too. And yes, I did it to support myself at one time. Guess what? I got ing tired of it and did something about it. |
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| OrangestO |
Am I turning into a conservative? :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
Yea, right... :haha: |
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