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Fast food workers want $15/hr (pg. 4)
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by OrangestO
No where in my posts did I say anything about demand. My concern revolves around what you mentioned in your post: the surrounding economy and industries. I get it, if we pay them more we won't have to invest as much in programs that help to support them now. OK... |
First, I meant the demand for these jobs we so disdain is not particularly going anywhere. Despite the automation of things, there is still a place for fast food/retail service workers, probably always will be. The perception that these jobs are easy or mindless is off-centre, if you ask me. I've worked at Taco Bell and Wal-Mart as a teenager- there is definitely stress and labour involved; I'm not saying it's the same as being a writer or a construction worker, but the rhetoric that holds that you just clock in, stand around, and clock out seems (to me) to come from people who have never had to endure a truly job in their entire lives. It is not a fulfilling existence, as career paths go. But the truth is that somebody has to do it, and forcing people to hold 3 of these ty jobs just to make ends meet when supplemented by welfare is a broken ing system.
Secondly, by 'surrounding economy', I was actually referring to the fiscal situation of things when people are no longer allowed to make below a certain threshold. The cost of goods and services WILL increase as a result, and will quickly make a return to the ensuing inflation. It's precisely why, as you insist, throwing money at the problem does so very little in a broader sense. There would need to be an immense reform in the tax system, with a sharper progression in taxing the super-rich; Ironically, not at all unlike pre-1950s USA levels of taxation, a bit of history so conveniently ignored by the bullish idiots on the right with delusions of atomic values.
| quote: | But if we bump their wages, shouldn't other people who have more skills, a higher education, and greater potential earn more as a result too? If you make $25 or $30 per hour right now it doesn't mean much to you, but to someone like me who just graduated and is just starting out at a relatively low pay scale (and paying back the government the money they lent me to go to school in the first place), it seems like a bad rap.
Oh yea, the greater good of society. I get it. But SOMEONE has to pay, whether it's the person who doesn't have the skills/education or the person that does and isn't getting properly compensated for it. Like I said, bump their wages a few bucks and offer them opportunities to get in the classroom (whether trade school or college). If they want to make more, then surely take advantage of it, no? |
There seems to be this me-too tinge about your posts. It's understandable, but as has been said, fast food/retail is an industry largely bereft of upward potential; if you're a fry cook who makes enough money that you don't feel the need to kill yourself after every shift, you're not exactly expecting a promotion at some point, are you? At least you earn the means to survive, however, unlike now.
This isn't some pie-in-the-sky "greater good of society" wish, it's a very real economic reality that not compensating people for fair work so that they can support themselves has a very real effect on all of us. Support of the status quo seems to me quite similar to the argument that sick people without insurance ought to just go to the emergency room- it does. not. work. We all end up paying for it when people are unable to support themselves doing jobs that are required. Fair to other professions or not, something needs to change. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by OrangestO
Another thing. People in this country love to live above their means. |
This is very true, and yes, very problematic... when it is approached from the traditional, punitive standpoint. Punishing people for being stupid works about as well as locking drug addicts in prison. Alternative approaches need to be considered, not limited to reactive reform of the financial and loans sectors and better policing of predatory lending practices.
True, you're not going to cure the stupid mammal nature that gets people into debt they can't possibly manage, but letting the free market do what it will and tossing everyone into debtor's prison, once more, costs us so very much more than bailing private entities out. |
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| OrangestO |
From an objective standpoint, I agree with your points Hal.
I guess I'm thinking too much of myself and writing purely from my own perspective instead of considering the bigger picture.
(Hence my conservative comment.) |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by OrangestO
Am I turning into a conservative? :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
Yea, right... :haha: |
Generally people like you are frustrated and just blame the wrong people because you are ironically not so bright like the people making 7$. You also seem to attach your well being with the well being of others. You are a textbook case.
Not smart enough to think things thru. You are not upset that they make moeny,cyru are upset that you are not getting money. And you are playing a losers gambit were nobody wins, If they get paid more, you benefit. This requires a bit of connecting the dots but if you would stop and shut up, as system j likes to tell me when we are missing each other , well I think this exercise will help you see that you are lookin at the small picture,
So yes, you are a republican.
Do they deserve it? Does any CEO deserve what they make. Do the banks deserve their lot? Why focus on the poor that are asking what amounts to nothing. 2 cents more on a big Mac. |
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| Jon_Snow |
| quote: | Originally posted by OrangestO
Am I turning into a conservative? :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
Yea, right... :haha: |
More like a black jew, cheap but poor. |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by OrangestO
I got ing tired of it and did something about it. |
Clearly. |
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| srussell0018 |
| And? Work in the private sector in a job that matters and you'll be paid like it. That's pretty much the bottom line. Any fast food jockey thinking they deserve 15/hr is just a greedy moron. I don't even have any education related to the job I do, but since it's something that actually matters, I'm compensated to reflect that. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| the answer is supply and demand. |
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| Sushipunk |
Minimum wage in Australia (for over 21s, in any industry) is $16.37 an hour. It kinda blows me away that in a first world country like the US, people can work full-time in these sorts of industries and still not be able to make ends meet.
I know the thought is that these aren't "skilled" positions, but it doesn't make it any less of a job, and it's a job that has to be done, because people want fast food. |
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