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Fast food workers want $15/hr (pg. 6)
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| srussell0018 |
ITT: a bunch of bleeding heart cry baby liberals.
What I'd like to know, is when we raise the minimum wage to a level that Americans can live on at this level of inflation (probably around 12/hr), what you plan on doing for the entry level office desktop tech who's making $13/hr, and then when you raise their wage, what you plan to tell the CCNA who's making 20-25 an hour? Raising minimum wage by a dollar isn't going to change anything. Clearly, these people want something they do not deserve. Someone who stands in front of a register and asks people of they want fries does not deserve $120 a day for doing so. |
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| Vector A |
| That is actually one argument often advanced *for* the minimum wage: that it creates upward pressure on employers who currently pay slightly more than the minimum, thus ultimately lifting the incomes of far more people than the ones who are touched immediately by the legislation. |
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| netroM |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Someone who stands in front of a register and asks people of they want fries does not deserve $120 a day for doing so. |
You mean they don't deserve to live? |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Clearly, these people want something they do not deserve. Someone who stands in front of a register and asks people of they want fries does not deserve $120 a day for doing so. |
Who the are you to say who deserves what? |
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| Lews |
This all comes down to srussel making barely more than minimum wage and wanting to feel superior to the burger jockeys. He can't feel as superior if they're making a salary closer to his.
"They don't deserve that much! I work so hard, I deserve to make more than them!" - pretty much every one of his posts in this thread. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
the truth comes out lol.
one has to be careful with raising minimum wage. Small business' (especially startups) have to be very cautious about agreeing to a minimum wage increase. Especially if you are running in the red (which is the fact in most cases) and trying to remain viable.
people are talking about raising minimum wage over 100 % (i believe its 7.25 in the US right now) and that's completely ridiculous on small business owners.
So while large corporations will be able to afford this easily, you have to look at what will happen to small Companies who will try to remain viable and competitive. Obviously you will see an increase in price of services and goods to make up for the expense hikes; so in turn you've really gained nothing.
Raise it by 10 to 20 %, but over 100%?? seems unreasonable.
I wouldn't care if i was making 17$ an hour and lets say they raised minimum wage to 15$. Wouldn't bother me, i would probably want a raise obviously, but i could look around for other jobs. My concern is the business owners and them being able to afford the lower tier salary expenses.
I think America in general has an issue of people living within their means. Raising minimum wage is not going to help that; education will. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by netroM
You mean they don't deserve to live? |
There's a difference between living within your means and living exactly how you want to. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
This all comes down to srussel making barely more than minimum wage and wanting to feel superior to the burger jockeys. He can't feel as superior if they're making a salary closer to his.
"They don't deserve that much! I work so hard, I deserve to make more than them!" - pretty much every one of his posts in this thread. |
Lol
How's that poli sci degree from a second rate college treating you in the job market? I understand now why you're so passionate in defending "your people."
You are the supreme lord of the logical fallacy though, I'll give you that. |
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| Lews |
| Stephen, unlike you, I neither see money as a surrogate of personal worth nor do I need it. I do, however, need a strong country. Large numbers of poor and massive inequality hurts all of us - however you're too myopic and proud to see that. But, please, continue talking about how how much better of a worker you are than the burger jockeys. It really helps show how superior you are, which is clearly important to you. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
the truth comes out lol.
one has to be careful with raising minimum wage. Small business' (especially startups) have to be very cautious about agreeing to a minimum wage increase. Especially if you are running in the red (which is the fact in most cases) and trying to remain viable.
people are talking about raising minimum wage over 100 % (i believe its 7.25 in the US right now) and that's completely ridiculous on small business owners.
So while large corporations will be able to afford this easily, you have to look at what will happen to small Companies who will try to remain viable and competitive. Obviously you will see an increase in price of services and goods to make up for the expense hikes; so in turn you've really gained nothing.
Raise it by 10 to 20 %, but over 100%?? seems unreasonable.
I wouldn't care if i was making 17$ an hour and lets say they raised minimum wage to 15$. Wouldn't bother me, i would probably want a raise obviously, but i could look around for other jobs. My concern is the business owners and them being able to afford the lower tier salary expenses.
I think America in general has an issue of people living within their means. Raising minimum wage is not going to help that; education will. |
I'm not sure we can really tell how this will effect small businesses. Obviously their initial personnel costs will go up, which will make them raise their prices. But with higher wages will come more spending power, which will let people afford the higher costs.
I think the question is really how high will prices rise after minimum wage goes up - will the effect be neutral so no one is better off? The academic literature on the topic is kind of divided on whether unemployment rises or not, I'm not sure what it says about prices - which is really what we care the most about, when we're concerned about people being unable to live off their wages. |
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| srussell0018 |
Why don't you just log into my account and post for me, since you just love summarizing my posts in the way that you think they were written, other than how they actually are.
Kind of like your first intelligence thrashing post equating my belief that mcdonalds employees don't deserve $15/hr with the idea that I think they shouldn't make any more than they are now. If raising minimum wage means doubling it, then no, of course I'm not in favor of that.
It really comes down to jealousy. I'm sure you're barely scraping by, while I live extremely comfortably. I don't fault you for pursuing a degree track that doesn't provide for many lucrative options post graduation, but I think you're going a bit overboard in attacking me for being successful and proud of it. Anybody who does well is proud of it. It's pretty clear based on all of your posts that you're just excessively jealous of people with money. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Why don't you just log into my account and post for me, since you just love summarizing my posts in the way that you think they were written, other than how they actually are.
Kind of like your first intelligence thrashing post equating my belief that mcdonalds employees don't deserve $15/hr with the idea that I think they shouldn't make any more than they are now. If raising minimum wage means doubling it, then no, of course I'm not in favor of that.
It really comes down to jealousy. I'm sure you're barely scraping by, while I live extremely comfortably. I don't fault you for pursuing a degree track that doesn't provide for many lucrative options post graduation, but I think you're going a bit overboard in attacking me for being successful and proud of it. Anybody who does well is proud of it. It's pretty clear based on all of your posts that you're just excessively jealous of people with money. |
Actually, if you read my posts it's clear that I disdain people who think money is important or that having money somehow makes them a better person than those who don't. I hate the nouveau riche, not people with money. The amount of money someone has means nothing to me, it's the attitude of the person that matters.
Your attitude is lacking in decency. The very fact that you brag about how comfortable your life is tells me everything I need to know about you. You know nothing of the material comfort of my life and I have no intention of informing you, because it doesn't matter.
I never said you didn't think they should be paid more, I took offense at you calling them "greedy morons" for wanting to be paid $15 an hour and questioned that. It's fine to think that $15 an hour is too much - I fall into that camp myself. But calling them "greedy morons?" That just goes to show your nouveau riche attitude - if you even are nouveau riche. You strike me more as someone who just climbed into the middle class for the first time and is now doing everything you can to prove you're better than where you were born. Unfortunately for you, money does not equal class. |
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