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U.S & obesity (pg. 14)
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| wotyzoid |
| that might be the smartest thing you've said yet, i'm not for combating anything, however. what kind of solution to a "health crisis", as you call it, is ridicule? how about food regulation and taxation instead? bunch of idiots walking around if you ask me, fat and skinny ones. |
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| planetaryplayer |
| All fat people should be forced to graze in cattlefields and eat grass exclusively. If in fact they can't digest grass then they should evolve to |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
That's because you're choosing to take it literally rather than grasping the rather obvious point that I mentioned Blackburn and Newcastle as metonyms for colloquial England in general, which actually does outnumber London by some degree and where the lifestyle is notably different.
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Well I've given specifics all the way along and whenever someone else be it you or Lews comes along as says "that's doesn't compute" you just disappear in vagueness. Whether I take it literally or as metaphor, at least in regard to the USA, there differences are so marginal between absolutely massive or tiny sample pools that the fact remains.
You also seem to not be abel to get past his 100m don't have a problem, Those 100m don't all live together in some fitness utopia that a foreigner might stumble in to and see the "healthy america" - you'll only see one of those people after you've already seen two gym dodgers. So yes, there's some healtly, in shape Americans but they are dwarfed (literally and figuratively) by Rotundii.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You might tell me that you don't agree about the distribution, but the arguments you've made in this thread don't correlate with that. Your own examples show how socio-economics and geography create contrasts between communities and areas with little to no obesity, and others with extremely high levels of obesity.
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But they do. Again, look over the stats I've posted. There are less than three states healthier than the UK, and only one than the rest of Europe. There are 47 other states worse than the UK.
The bit you're failing to grasp (so I'll write it out in simple plain English) is that even if you look at the so called "healthier places" in the US, they still have a bigger problem than cirtually any other place in the world.
So again, as the OP is on the outside looking in, aksing for a persepective on whether the USA is fat in relative terms to the rest of the world, the anser regardless of whether it's Seattle, NY or Orlando is yes.
Anything else is just avoiding the plain facts which have no been posted again and again in this thread.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
No, actually. My early posts in this thread with Jay talked about US "culinary culture" as a totality. As a Brit who's visited the US more than once I have felt that marked contrast in the quality of even everyday staple food. I'd agree with you that it is harder in the US to eat healthily even compared to the UK, that things you should be able to take for granted (such as bread, to reiterate my own example) are just unhealthy by default. I can hold that position and still have sympathy for Lews' plea for perspective, because there are 100,000,000 Americans with no weight problems and so it's important for a foreigner not to get caught up in the idea that every American is fat and every American product or restaurant is unhealthy. You've blown up this whole issue into way more than it needs to be. |
As a Brit that actually lives between the USA and UK, has done a fair bit of travelling within the US and live in an one of the most Aesthetics and healthy parts of the USA, I'd say I have a slightly better anecdotal grasp on the condition over here than someone whose been to NY a couple of times.
Again, see above for the 100m - I'm not saying everyone here is fat, it's just more people (and I mean twice as much) are, than aren't, and while you can find these enclaves if someone asked me that has never been to the states and was going to travel around, will I see a lot of obesity and issues with health and food culture as a whole? damn straight. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
that might be the smartest thing you've said yet, i'm not for combating anything, however. what kind of solution to a "health crisis", as you call it, is ridicule? |
No, it's what Jenny said and what you argued against: health promotion and prevention on the one hand, and social responsibility on the other. Governments can do a lot to address how food is manufactured, marketed and sold and I fully support that, but I also support people taking basic accountability for their own health. If you want to eat and die young then do it, but don't turn around and expect other people to start paying for your own self-destruction.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
As a Brit that actually lives between the USA and UK, has done a fair bit of travelling within the US and live in an one of the most Aesthetics and healthy parts of the USA, I'd say I have a slightly better anecdotal grasp on the condition over here than someone whose been to NY a couple of times. |
You're a world champion at arguing with statements that agree with you.
I've already pointed out, twice, the parts of your own argument that delineate uneven distribution of obesity. I'm not going to do it again. Now, this may well be down to your propensity to carpet bomb factoids of varying relevance all over an argument, but you made the point intentionally or otherwise. If you want to retract all that previous contradictory you said then do it and my original intervention is no longer necessary. Otherwise, your position and Lews' are not as oppositional as you seem to want them to be. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
No, it's what Jenny said and what you argued against: health promotion and prevention on the one hand, and social responsibility on the other. Governments can do a lot to address how food is manufactured, marketed and sold and I fully support that, but I also support people taking basic accountability for their own health. If you want to eat and die young then do it, but don't turn around and expect other people to start paying for your own self-destruction. |
OK that's your , because you pay for it as we speak. |
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| Serial Killer |
come on page 15....
this is like watching beavis and butt-head lmao |
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| OrangestO |
:stongue:
Seriously. |
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| Chimney |
mfw I realize what my innocent thread has birthed:
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| Silky Johnson |
| You should see what I birthed in the toilet this morning IFYOUKNOWWHATIMEAN. |
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| Chimney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Silky Johnson
You should see what I birthed in the toilet this morning IFYOUKNOWWHATIMEAN. |
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| Innocence Lost |
| I relapsed las night on some mac and cheese, now it feels i got like 99 problems. |
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