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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by JEO
Guys.. I'm sure RANN has worked on GoT some way or the other. He's got some insider insight that will turn the tide here. |
His hatred of it and Emilia Clark does make me wonder if he has some real life connection to the show. Perhaps Ms. Clark refused his request for a signature at a cafe one day? |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
What argument did I make, there? I asked you to explain your earlier statement that a financial analysis of other films made by main stars of GoT has some type of connection to the writing of GoT. You said that, in the post I quoted. Then you later say there is no connection. I was pointing that out. I was not really arguing anything, just demonstrating that you're an idiot?
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Except you're failing to grasp a simple concept and I've spelled it out for you several ways. Who is the idiot again?
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Yes, they tamed down the sex scenes, and viewership continued to go up... Almost as if, people were not watching because of the sex scenes? They were watching for other reasons?
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Jesus, are you really that dense AND blind. I literally just posted proof that season 4 was peak nudity and season 5 had the second most out of any one episode,
but you're still trying to insist that they "tamed it down".
How exactly does it gradually increase over 4 or 5 season and yet "tamed it down? Oh you mean for the last 3 seasons where it was marginally less and they'd already locked in the fan base?
Got it. So five seasons of gradually increasing soft porn doesn't count becuase the last season was all about swords and dragons.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Where did I say it had good plots? Where did I say that RT proved GoT had great writing? Please quote me. |
What the actual ing . I'm happy to:
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Ahh, yes, good point, the show clearly was not about plotlines at all.
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To which you then posted screenshots of RT reviews giving it favourable plot reviews, and used that to suggest it was all about the plot.
Are you now going to try to slither out that your point that it was about plots.... just not good ones?
If so, then why post RT reviews as a failed rebuff of me saying it had plot lines?
Doesn't make any sense for you to post favourable RT reviews talking about plots if your intention was that you agreed the plot lines were bad, does it now? :p
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Where did I say that popularity is connected to quality? And, again, where did I say that GoT's plot was great?
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You literally said that thousands of people found it good (so posted flawed RT figures) and so did good publications (to which I posted scathting reviews form those publications) as evidence that it was the plot that made people like iyet those scathing reviews literally say things like:
"We’re back to the familiar favorites of the infantile, e.g. spurting blood and gore, bastard sons, evil vixens, blond nymphets, quasi-lesbian action, crude talk among men about their private parts, incest, rough couplings, and more random bare breasts than any other contender in the adolescent-boy-action-show contest this month"
"Game of Thrones is boy fiction patronizingly turned out to reach the population’s other half "
I'd tell you to keep up but you can;'t even keep up with your own posts in this thread. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
His hatred of it and Emilia Clark does make me wonder if he has some real life connection to the show. Perhaps Ms. Clark refused his request for a signature at a cafe one day? |
Never met her. I'm sure she's a nice person. Just her acting in that was terrible.
Here it is again:
"Thus, most of the nuance is down to the performer. You can even see this on Game of Thrones, where Emilia Clarke, who is good at certain things and not great at others, has mostly turned Daenerys into a series of struts and shouts. (The nadir of this was the show’s second season, in which she kept yelling, “Where are my dragons?!”)".
I get she had terrible material to work with but at least some of the bit part actors like Bean, Grant and Madden have screen presence and some gravitas. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Except you're failing to grasp a simple concept and I've spelled it out for you several ways. Who is the idiot again? |
Right, let's do this again.
You said that a financial analysis of other films made by main stars of GoT has some type of connection to the writing of GoT. You said that, in the post I quoted first. Then you later say there is no connection. Which one is it?
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Jesus, are you really that dense AND blind. I literally just posted proof that season 4 was peak nudity and season 5 had the second most out of any one episode, |
Do you actually read what you post? The Express article which you quoted says:
'Out of all of the seasons, the first one featured the most amount of sex.'
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
but you're still trying to insist that they "tamed it down". |
You just wrote 'they actually had to calm down the sex scenes.' So did they tame it down or did they not? Can you keep up with how often you change your own opinion? It's been like an hour.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
How exactly does it gradually increase over 4 or 5 season and yet "tamed it down? Oh you mean for the last 3 seasons where it was marginally less and they'd already locked in the fan base?
Got it. So five seasons of gradually increasing soft porn doesn't count becuase the last season was all about swords and dragons. |
Again, why are you saying that the soft porn aspect of the show gradually increased for five seasons? The blue line is sloping downwards, not upwards, Rann. There was, on average, less sex scenes in each additional season.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
What the actual ing . I'm happy to:
To which you then posted screenshots of RT reviews giving it favourable plot reviews, and used that to suggest it was all about the plot. |
I suggested people liked the plots, yes. That is my argument. That has always been my argument.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Are you now going to try to slither out that your point that it was about plots.... just not good ones?
If so, then why post RT reviews as a failed rebuff of me saying it had plot lines? |
I was not rebuffing you saying it has plot lines. I have never made any statement in this thread about the quality of the plot lines. That is not slithering out, I have directly stated that.
You do not seem to actually read my posts, so I will post it again. Try to follow:
'My point was not that RT said the show was great. My point was that RT emphasizes the plot as being great. As you say, RT is geared towards commercial vehicles. And RT stating the plot of GoT is great indicates that, to many people, the plot was why they liked GoT. I would think this is backed up by the thousands of people on Reddit and Vox and the New York Times and elsewhere writing theories about the plot for many years.
I am not arguing the plot was good; I am arguing many people thought the plot was good, and that is why they watched it. You are arguing people watched it for sexual reasons. I would like to know your evidence of this claim. Or are you simply spouting off nonsense, as usual, with nothing to back it up?'
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Doesn't make any sense for you to post favourable RT reviews talking about plots if your intention was that you agreed the plot lines were bad, does it now? :p |
I have not said the plot lines were good or bad, I have said that many people liked the plots and found the theories interesting.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
You literally said that thousands of people found it good (so posted flawed RT figures) and so did good publications (to which I posted scathting reviews form those publications) as evidence that it was the plot that made people like iyet those scathing reviews literally say things like:
"We’re back to the familiar favorites of the infantile, e.g. spurting blood and gore, bastard sons, evil vixens, blond nymphets, quasi-lesbian action, crude talk among men about their private parts, incest, rough couplings, and more random bare breasts than any other contender in the adolescent-boy-action-show contest this month"
"Game of Thrones is boy fiction patronizingly turned out to reach the population’s other half "
I'd tell you to keep up but you can;'t even keep up with your own posts in this thread. |
Where did I say those good publications said the plot was good? I said they wrote about the plot. There is a very big difference there.
I'd tell you keep up, but... This is embarrassing. |
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| Hides in Shadow |
Rann can't accept defeat, he'll try to cower by trying to escape the argument by either rambling with irrelevant info or try his hardest to switch things to his perspective by fabricating the very point of discussion and make it look like he's right. You guys already won along time ago, imo.
Look at him cower like a baby..
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I'm not going to even get in to this anymore with you.
Some random guy with a beaten up technics in his bedroom shows you he uses a ruler and suddenly that is the gospel.
It won't, and it's not. |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
You believe like your power conditioner is coloring your audio and you'd be better off without it and bringing a ruler to a club is normal. |
Rambling with irrelevant bs 101: I never said that I believed it
Thread from the djbooth
Yeahh Rann lets carry on |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hides in Shadow
Yeahh Rann lets carry on |
Oh Juan. You got your ass handed to you in that thread - several times - while everyone just giggled at the stunning wisdom of:
| quote: | Originally posted by Hides in Shadow
When I go to a club, I bring a Ruler and Flashlight"
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Because some guy in his basement said so on youtube.
:haha:
There's one thing about people arguing like adults.
Then ther'se you getting endlessly mocked for single-handedly keeping the second hand audio market alive because you quit taking the meds and suddenly decide your kit doesn't sound good anymore without that $1500 USB cable.
The sales guys must see your caller ID and start rubbing their hands.
P.s. how long until the next med-less meltdown and you carpet bomb every thread on TA? |
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| Hides in Shadow |
See, I rest my case, he comes up with nonsense instead admitting he lost, all fabricated his own words.
Edit: Yeah Rann, that's the smartest prediction, ever :rolleyes:. I'ma suddenly go off my meds and "carpet bomb" every single thread.
This guy is rubez 2.0 :haha: |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Right, let's do this again.
You said that a financial analysis of other films made by main stars of GoT has some type of connection to the writing of GoT. You said that, in the post I quoted first. Then you later say there is no connection. Which one is it?
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Ugh. This is painful.
I said various elements were and their lackluster performance in other films was tangentially indicative that that the show did well despite it's actors and writing and production.
You keep incorrectly trying to infer that I said something different, which I didn't hence the part about my point being mutually exclusive from what you're trying to assert over and around my point.
Do you actually read what you post? The Express article which you quoted says:
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
'Out of all of the seasons, the first one featured the most amount of sex.'
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yes, because certain episodes had more on average than others, but season 4 was a close second and certain season 5 episodes had more than season 4 with one episode nearly as much as the top count episode from season 1 and some more than certain episodes in S1. Understand yet? Sex scenes declined ever so slightly in 2 and 3, shot back up in 4 and was at nearly peak S1 levels. You should also realize that nudity was even more extreme so it's not a case of it gradually fading out as seasons went on - it fluctuated but by the middle point of the show it was just a smidgen behind the first season which was utterly loaded again
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
You just wrote 'they actually had to calm down the sex scenes.' So did they tame it down or did they not? Can you keep up with how often you change your own opinion? It's been like an hour.
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Yes, they got in trouble for the rape scenes and toned it down in later series to just quasi lesbian and incest school boy fantasy fodder. And because the stars started refusing and they stopped subbing in porn stars, and body doubles with expensive CGI were apparently costing a fortune etc.
Why are you having so much trouble grasping this? And see below for more information on the backlash from season 5 which is why they had to pull back:
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Again, why are you saying that the soft porn aspect of the show gradually increased for five seasons? The blue line is sloping downwards, not upwards, Rann. There was, on average, less sex scenes in each additional season.
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Where the is this graph from and what was the timeline? because by season 5 viewing figures were in the 10's of millions, not 6m at peak.
And here's exactly why they started reducing the sex in season 5:
"In the fifth season's episode "Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken", Sansa Stark is raped by Ramsay Bolton. Most reviewers, including those from Vanity Fair, Salon, The Atlantic, and The Daily Beast, found the scene gratuitous and artistically unnecessary. For example, Joanna Robinson, writing for Vanity Fair, said that the scene "undercuts all the agency that's been growing in Sansa since the end of last season." In contrast, Sara Stewart of the New York Post wondered why viewers were not similarly upset about the many background and minor characters who'd undergone similar or worse treatment. In response to the scene, pop culture website The Mary Sue announced that it would cease coverage of the series because of the repeated use of rape as a plot device,[259] and US Senator Claire McCaskill said that she would no longer watch it."
They had been ramping it back up to season one levels (not that the preceding season was light, or the show as a whole anyway) when the backlash started.
Even Stephen Dillane, who portrays Stannis Baratheon, likened the series' frequent explicit scenes to "German porn from the 1970s".
You're also splitting hairs - even the most mundane episodes of GoT has more sex, nudity and sexual violence than any other mainstream show on TV at that point. Going from 10 sex scenes to 6 in 45 minutes isn't actually proving that the show wasn't gratuitous fodder for the demographic.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
I suggested people liked the plots, yes. That is my argument. That has always been my argument.
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Slither slither. As I thought.
You posted the favorable RT review - with graphic detailing plots - to attempt to show it had good plot lines but you're now trying to pull a psuedo u turn by saying "it was popular, I didn;t say it was good".
Again, I've never said once it wasn't popular, so why were you posting up things that referenced good plot lines? Becuase others thought it was good? What ing point is that? I've said undevleoped manchildren lapped it up.
You're not making any sense by pushing this, and it only makes sense because you tried to defend the plot aspect but had to reverse course when I pointed out that RT specifically and disproportionately gives support to commercial vehicle, such as Got.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
I was not rebuffing you saying it has plot lines. I have never made any statement in this thread about the quality of the plot lines. That is not slithering out, I have directly stated that.
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You're slithering so much you've nearly left your cask on the forum. Again, why hold up RT favorable reviews specifically mentioning plot if you concede that RT is flawed and there's no argument that some low information consumers liked it?
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
You do not seem to actually read my posts, so I will post it again. Try to follow:
'My point was not that RT said the show was great. My point was that RT emphasizes the plot as being great. As you say, RT is geared towards commercial vehicles. And RT stating the plot of GoT is great indicates that, to many people, the plot was why they liked GoT. I would think this is backed up by the thousands of people on Reddit and Vox and the New York Times and elsewhere writing theories about the plot for many years.
I am not arguing the plot was good; I am arguing many people thought the plot was good, and that is why they watched it. You are arguing people watched it for sexual reasons. I would like to know your evidence of this claim. Or are you simply spouting off nonsense, as usual, with nothing to back it up?'
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You can post twice but that's just you trying to wriggle by repetition.
Remember, when i said it was in terms of plotlines, you posted
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Ahh, yes, good point, the show clearly was not about plotlines at all. |
With a graphic from RT which glowed about the plotlines as if you had a gotcha, which backfired.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Where did I say those good publications said the plot was good? I said they wrote about the plot. There is a very big difference there.
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Then why bother at all with your argument? I've not wavered once from the fact it was hugely commercially successful and an ardent fanbase laps it up.
It's because you misspoke, thought RT backed you up but have been backpedaling ever since - you're trying to turn it in to some bizarrely watered down obfuscation of
"it was about plot lines.... er... but not good ones or bad ones. Nothing to do with quality, just saying people liked it and RT is my proof that plot lines were present. but not good or bad".
What the .
You know exactly what the , but will keep trying to make some shifty definition of what you previously said, that now makes no sense given the context of what you posted. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hides in Shadow
See, I rest my case, he comes up with nonsense instead admitting he lost, all fabricated his own words.
Edit: Yeah Rann, that's the smartest prediction, ever :rolleyes:. I'ma suddenly go off my meds and "carpet bomb" every single thread.
This guy is rubez 2.0 :haha: |
Dude, you literally had a flame war with our resident Mod, who trolled you beautifully, resulting in you begging him not to ban you while he highlighted numerous accounts of you bombing these forums.
He also highlighted the fact you keep getting banned for this come back as other alts. Ortofon child. Vinyl Ninja. Should I go on?
Or are you going to try to say I'm lying? |
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| Hides in Shadow |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Or are you going to try to say I'm lying? |
Yeah, find the text on where I exactly said please don't ban me when Stu was trolling me, and the last I time as ninja, I left on my own.
Now got you cornered you cretin, find the text or don't post at all. |
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| Sushipunk |
| For anyone curious, we have a thread in the mod section that's run into 3 pages with all of Juan's banned alts. And that's at 40 posts per page. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
For anyone curious, we have a thread in the mod section that's run into 3 pages with all of Juan's banned alts. And that's at 40 posts per page. |
:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha: |
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