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For Those Ripped Off By 'stacey-l' Please Read Immediately - Re: Fraud On Board (pg. 4)
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Again Spective, this is not over until we all get our money back. You cannot just consider this closed and that you are an "honest" person because you refund two people $200. I am out $900, jthorn is out $2300. Until EVERYONE is refunded their money, this is not over. And your unwillingess to cooperate with jthorn and I makes it seem all the more obvious that you are just trying to save your skin.
You want people on this forum to respect you again? I've said it before and I'll say it again, send me my money back. I don't know why we are even discussing this anymore. You have my email and my address, you know how much money I am owed. It is your duty to refund the money, whether this Stacey story is true or not is irrelevant. You send me the money and I will be more than happy to post all sorts of praise for you here on the forum and contact the authorities and let them know that this has been resolved.
And torontotrance...people change. Don't just assume that because he never did anything wrong in the past that he can't now. In fact, there is a lot more to this story than is posted on the forum. jthorn and myself are not stupid people. we have a great deal of proof that points to this not being a true story. i will not discuss it here on the forum however as it is sensitive and could jeopardize the ongoing investigation.
Spective knows what he needs to do, its time to stop pointing fingers and time for Spective to send our money back. And stop this bs excuse of avoiding phone calls. I have all "the evidence" you need to prove "stacey" was involved. I would like to move on with my life and the forum is growing tired of your nonsense.
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| Tegu |
What you proposed to me was paying me in installments.
Let's take a quick survey:
How many of you on this forum would be willing to accept money in "payments" from someone who had scammed you?
I am out $900. This is not over until I have $900 back. Do not tell me that I am being unwillig. If you were truly in the situation that you were in, you should be more than willing to refund ALL of my money immediately so that you can "press charges against Stacey". I would think you would be a little more concerned about that than defending your shoddy reputation here on these forums and avoiding paying me the money that I am owed. |
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| Tegu |
Actually, since the emails and the package you sent me came from your home address, I would argue that you are indeed legally bound to refund my money. But that's not for me to determine. There are already people working on the case.
Spective. put yourself in my shoes. would you be willing to accept payment by installments from Stacey? I higly doubt it. Do you understand why I am so angry and why that is unacceptable?
update on jthorn's situation and a good explanation of why we are unwilling to accept anything other than a full refund:
http://www.etherized.com/weblog/ |
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| jthorn |
| quote: | | I mean does someone with a 97% ebay rating just start scamming people without ebay kicking his ass? |
The eBay account was banned about 2 months ago. I find it curious that this would have gone unnoticed by the account holder.
Also, my transaction went through Shehryar Qamar's paypal account, not an intermediary as with other forum members. It was in his name, which means it was tied to his bank account. Again, this is something that should not have gone unnoticed.
I will post a copy of an email the scammer recently sent me in explanation of his/her actions. Shehryar Qamar would have me believe that this person was his ex-fiance, but it is worth your consideration.
| quote: | Look man, I've come to my senses. Last night I had a dream about you. I dreamed about the stress I put you through and felt that pain during my dream.
I am not typically like this. Usually I am a legit person, hence why I was on eBay for 5 years with positive feedback before I decided to pull this.
The truth is that I was laid off and was very tight on money. I depleted my entire bank account paying off bills and had to come up with something to prevent myself from going homeless. As Darwin said, "survival of the fittest."
I know my personal problems should not have affected you, but I made a bad decision and it really did affect you. I apologize a million times for what I have done for you.
PayPal is going to send you a refund for the laptop. Since you will get your money back, and be able to purchase the laptop you really wanted, can you send me back the laptop so that I can find a way to legitely sell it for the condition it is in?
Let me know. I really am sorry. I should have known better, but desperate situations make you irrational sometimes.
I hope you can accept my apology. |
When I replied, the individual offered a similar solution as has been offered to the other members of this forum - s/he said he did not have all the money, but that he would be able to send checks over a period of several months to refund it.
Again, I cannot state with absolute certainty that the same person is responsible for all of this. However, everything I know about the situation leads to that conclusion, and that is the assumption I must operate under until I have a reason to believe otherwise.
As Shehryar Qamar has not offered to fully refund my money, it really doesn't even matter whether he is telling the truth or not. I need my money back, period - no other solution is acceptable. Either Shehryar Qamar will provide it, or somebody else will - from my perspective, that is not overly important.
As I have told Shehryar, if he is indeed innocent then he will have nothing to worry about from the authorities. If he is the victim of identity theft, then the responsibility for any criminal actions would rest solely on the shoulders of the thief.
It is for this reason that I encourage everybody involved to contact law enforcement and report a claim with the FBI using the IFCC web site. If Shehryar is innocent, this will have no negative impact on him - indeed, he should submit a claim himself, so as to help track down the perpetrator.
Also, I'd strongly recommend that all affected parties pursue the matter with your credit card companies, as American Express has played a key role in assisting me with the issue. |
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BUMP
I love you man. |
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| I think it's important to see how much money has been scamed here, to me, it looks like it's close to $3500. I don't know anybody who could come up with $3500 out of thin air. I understand why all of your are upset, being scammed out of that much money sucks, but at least give this guy the couple of days it'll take to see if those checks come in. Don't call the police off or anything, but just chill out, if my ex scammed people out of $3500 there was no way I'd be able to pay it. |
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| jthorn |
| quote: | | Don't call the police off or anything, but just chill out, if my ex scammed people out of $3500 there was no way I'd be able to pay it. |
Again, you have no responsibility to cover for the actions of your ex. I am confused as to why people operate under this assumption.
If Shehryar is telling the truth, he has no obligation to refund the money, and it all rests on this other individual. If we who have been scammed go through the authorities, they will track the matter to the actual perpetrator and recover the funds from them, punishing them as the law demands.
For this reason, for justice to be done, using the legal and financial systems to recouperate our losses is the only sane solution. If Shehryar Qamar is being honest, he has nothing to lose from this - and in fact a lot to gain, in that he would not be sending out his own money to people who were scammed by his ex-fiance. |
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