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Yet another American beheaded. This is the sickest thing ive ever seen. (pg. 13)
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| Superstar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
That's funny because this guy was freely elected by IRAQIS... :rolleyes: |
No he really wasn't elected by anyone. Where are you getting this from?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3757923.stm
The Iraq Interim Governing Council appointed him as Interim Prime Minister. How is that freely elected by Iraqis?
Here's something of interest, from TIME:
http://www.time.com/time/world/arti...,644477,00.html
| quote: | | So, it was entirely appropriate that discussion over the appointment of Iraq's new interim government was laced with its own special irony: The two men at the top of the list announced Tuesday were just last month ranked bottom of a list of potential leaders — by their own countrymen. |
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| Superstar |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Here's a thought: why don't you read actual news from Iraq to find out how Iraqis REALLY feel about their lives? You may be surprised. I'll dig up sources if you want - I assure you that the majority over there feel that they are very much better off now than they were 2 years ago. |
I don't think any of us who don't currently live in Iraq are in any position to say what the majority of Iraqis want, myself included. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Superstar
I don't think any of us who don't currently live in Iraq are in any position to say what the majority of Iraqis want, myself included. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
I have, but you should look at the pictures from Iraqi prisnoers getting raped and humiliated and the pictures of the dead children in Iraq then you'll know what Iam talking about. |
The first batch of those photos were fakes. The people involved in the others have been brought to trial. I still don't see how this relates to the topic at hand: non-conbatants being executed (intentionally).
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If you want to talk rape - lets talk about how many women Sadam and his people raped in front of their husbands. Lets talk about how many mothers Sadam and his people raped in front of their children.
You want to talk about dead children? Lets talk about the hundreds of children killed by Sadam's chemical weapons, or whole families that disappeared.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT MURDER??? Lets talk about the wood chippers that Sadam's sons used to "prove a point" about telling them what they wanted to hear.
IMO you're way off base with your comments. WAY off base. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Superstar
I don't think any of us who don't currently live in Iraq are in any position to say what the majority of Iraqis want, myself included. |
Right, that's why rational people rely on statements made by Iraqis.
I'm not saying that's definitive evidence (perhaps they're lying to the independent media on a massive scale), but it's sure as hell better evidence than the wild speculations of rabid anti-Americans. |
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| cap |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
p.s. What was the body count again? oh ya 1000 and growing
GO IRAQI's GO |
yeah.. that's the way to peace. :rolleyes:
hardcore trancer, you are just digging yourself deeper into a grave, argument wise.
i understand that you are adament and deeply passionate about this topic.. but your posts are negative, hateful, and offer no motivation to reply positively and peacefully. |
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| Superstar |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Right, that's why rational people rely on statements made by Iraqis.
I'm not saying that's definitive evidence (perhaps they're lying to the independent media on a massive scale), but it's sure as hell better evidence than the wild speculations of rabid anti-Americans. |
I'm trying to find links to the CBC documentary that was on tv last night. If anyone watched it maybe they'll help me out. Basically what they said was that a number of different respected international committees, including the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations are suggesting that the situation in Iraq is getting worse every day, and there it's possible this may lead to a civil war.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programm...ent/3675538.stm
| quote: | | A government election with that much backing would be just one faction in the civil war which some American intelligence officials believe is brewing. |
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/16/us.iraq.ap/
| quote: | The National Intelligence Council looked at the political, economic and security situation in the war-torn country and determined -- at best -- the situation would be tenuous in terms of stability, a U.S. official said late Wednesday, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
At worst, the official said, were "trend lines that would point to a civil war." The official said it "would be fair" to call the document "pessimistic." |
Would you be willing to call this wild speculations of rabid anti-Americanism? |
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| cap |
Hardcore trancer and superstar,
Is it okay for Americans to savegly behead Iraqi's that have immigrated and live in America? |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Superstar
I'm trying to find links to the CBC documentary that was on tv last night. If anyone watched it maybe they'll help me out. Basically what they said was that a number of different respected international committees, including the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations are suggesting that the situation in Iraq is getting worse every day, and there it's possible this may lead to a civil war.
Would you be willing to call this wild speculations of rabid anti-Americanism? |
No, I wouldn't. But they're putting a spin on it based on the rebels and terrorists, and not taking into account enormous numbers of Iraqis who have good things to say. I'm not making this up, do you want me to find the quotes and interviews? They're peppered all over the place, very easy to find on the Internet.
And I certainly never claimed that Iraq was in any position of stability. But these things take time. Virtually every communist state and/or dictatorship has taken years, even decades to get fully repaired after being liberated. To be honest, even with all the instability there, it's quite remarkable just how stable it is when you consider how bad it was for so many other countries after WWII and WWIII (the Cold War). If you look at the situation carefully, almost all of the instability is concentrated in one area, much like similar situations in Northern Ireland. It may well be that this area remains unstable for a very long time, but that doesn't mean the rest of the country can't continue on its course toward democracy and economic recovery.
It's a huge and fallacious leap in logic to say that things are getting worse simply because they aren't perfect - bad as they may be, they are MUCH better off presently than before. And they are making out better than other recovering countries have made out. What's really important now is that whoever gets elected in the USA doesn't chicken out and withdraw all the troops, because that would set the clock back another 5 years at least. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
The first batch of those photos were fakes. The people involved in the others have been brought to trial |
Point here is that it did happend,and those people will never forget.
| quote: | If you want to talk rape - lets talk about how many women Sadam and his people raped in front of their husbands. Lets talk about how many mothers Sadam and his people raped in front of their children.
You want to talk about dead children? Lets talk about the hundreds of children killed by Sadam's chemical weapons, or whole families that disappeared.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT MURDER??? Lets talk about the wood chippers that Sadam's sons used to "prove a point" about telling them what they wanted to hear. |
RJ I know what Sadam did to those people,no need to tell me how he ws.but just why oh why they deicided to get rid of this guy now? why did he become more dangerous as soon Bush took over the office?
and finally how was he a threat to America?
Imo this war wasnt about Americans feeling sorry for the Iraqi's and saving the people from a dictator,I just dont think thats the whole picture,there is alot more to it,only time will tell,but I just hate when people cant see everything.Iam not trying to change anyones opinions here but dont try to change mine,I lived in the region and seen what they are capable of and I hate the American governenment with passion,and I have many reasons for it,which I dont want to get into.
| quote: | | IMO you're way off base with your comments. WAY off base. |
Maybe to you RJ,and Iam sorry that you cant see what Iam trying to say here. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Maybe to you RJ |
Perhaps. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by cap
yeah.. that's the way to peace. :rolleyes: |
and invading a country with full military force would?
| quote: | | i understand that you are adament and deeply passionate about this topic.. but your posts are negative, hateful, and offer no motivation to reply positively and peacefully. |
If you knew who I was you wouldn't say that because Iam not a hateful person at all,and thats ok because you never met me and I never met you(I think).
Iam passionate and very motivated to speak my mind about this issue.I love peace and I wish peace upon all the countries,I just cant stand what America is doing to the world and I will always stay against them,to me invasion and war isnt a solution to problems and using words like war on terrorism or WMD as an excuse to attack countries and invading them is unjustified and ignorant. |
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