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Yet another American beheaded. This is the sickest thing ive ever seen. (pg. 19)
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
So go to the library or search some articles online about this - you wont be disappointed.
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That's such a slap to the face, and im sure you didnt even realize it. :) |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
That's such a slap to the face, and im sure you didnt even realize it. :) |
There's so much to know about this situation - and when someone says that you are wrong, and "show the facts" - thats a slap in the face - so I am saying to everyone who thinks I was wrong, go look and find out for yourself.
No need to be offended, that was not the point of the message. |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by dance2dabeat
I totally hear ya about bringing children into this world. With what I know now compared to what I knew 5 years ago.. this is exactly the reason why people always tell me I live in a box and don't know what's going on in the real world. Well guess what?? This kind of I have to witness for my very own eyes..GOD I rather not know sometimes.....I think that if I didn't know I'm not afraid as I am now. I don't even like being home alone, and walking to my car every night after work....it's pathetic!! I am so afraid of things that I find myself turning my back on those poor homeless people I see on the streets asking me for spare change. I sometimes feel bad about the way I treat certain people now, but it's only because I am afraid and want to keep from harms way. The older I get and the more I know, the more scared I get. :( |
And thats how the government puts the fear into people, in order to control them and make them feel as though they are safe being a busy worker, consumer, stay at home and be good. Dont be so scared, life isnt that much more ed up than it used to be. History shows that we as a race have done some way more ed up . I'd say were still progressing as a race from a couple hundred years ago. |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
There's so much to know about this situation - and when someone says that you are wrong, and "show the facts" - thats a slap in the face - so I am saying to everyone who thinks I was wrong, go look and find out for yourself.
No need to be offended, that was not the point of the message. |
No, it was good and funny, I enjoyed reading that with much pleasure. Meh, everyone has a view and opinion, no one is wrong or right, only more resourceful and convincing. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
I never said to leave Iraq, its obvious that if America left, that would a. leave the biggest storm, b.ruin any chance for whats left for a chance for democracy (which may happen, but not anytime soon, and maybe not anytime in George W's lifetime)
If USA brought Freedom, you have a narrow view of what freedom is, cause that aint no freedom going on in Iraq, and on the condition that democracy is planted and american uses Iraq as its base, Iraq only becomes another pawn and puppet to the America coalition, just like Afghanistan! As you said, there is no arguement, as of right now, Iraq is in worse condition than it was before, now as the dust settles, and people start taking their places, your right, it may or may not work, and there are never any guarantee's. Now if George Bush had made this HIS plan from day one, and TOLD US ALL, that was his plan from day one (which it obviously was, and all that other crap was a spin off to make him seem like some saint and savior) maybe I wouldnt hate him so much. But the fact is, he fed everyone full of , said nasty things to those who didnt want to back him up for his obvious "american" agenda's. Whether it works or not, it wasnt justified by his reasons, these reasons I may be able to agree with more, but if I voted, would of said No. Thats just my take on it.
Like you said, Iraq is worse now than it ever was, maybe it might get better, maybe not. I am not debating to take out forces, nor am I debating the past, whats done is done, only thing that pisses me off, is the fact Bush gets away with it. |
I'm not sure if you misread or deliberately misquoted me but I did not say Iraq is worse off, I said it's far better off. Of course there are a few bad eggs in isolated areas, like the terrorists in Northern Ireland, but in case you've forgotten how long it took for most of Europe to recover after the Cold War, Iraq is doing remarkably well. Clearly, Iraqis were ready and waiting for change to happen.
As for the rest, we seem to see eye to eye on the general strategy, but you hate Bush for not discussing it up front. Well, okay, there are 3 schools of thought on that:
1) He deliberately lied because people wouldn't swallow the truth (I DO NOT happen to agree with this)
2) He dumbed it down so Americans didn't have to think about strategic issues (much like Reagan did)
3) He himself didn't really understand the whole strategy and was essentially a pawn in the U.S. military's plan (which should make a lot of sense for those who think Bush is a total moron).
It would be impossible for me to prove any of those right or wrong, and maybe the reality is a combination of all of them. But the point is, it's really a matter of opinion there, and I just don't happen to view things from the perspective of Bush being some sort of traitor. What he's done has been done several times throughout U.S. history, and people have always raised a big stink about it at the time, but as time passes people forget about the furor and comfort themselves in the stability it produces.
That's obviously my opinion, but in that respect I don't think there's much to argue about. The facts are there, and it's up to all of us to interpret them how we choose. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine, as long as we've got the facts straight. The U.S. is known for taking risks!
| quote: | | Actually what I would like to see, is a free market for all oil, instead of someone telling the world how much can be released and how much it should be sold for at any given time. Now thats how you put capitalism back in the pants of the Middle East! |
Well the Saudis aren't gonna do that all by their lonesome, maybe U.S. presence in Iraq will help speed up that process!
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
IF THERE IS NO OIL CRISIS - then why are oil prices keep going up? Shouldn't they be going down? |
SUPPLY AND DEMAND!!!
Dear lord, how many times do I have to say that!? :p |
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| Magnetonium |
I am not saying I brought up the facts nor that I was right - some of my statements were opinions, like me being in Iraq - maybe I didnt see the full picture. I just got really ... well, weary, when I saw Diginut post some really bizarre information, and I couldn't pass the thread without putting a reply to maybe open some doors to the bigger picture. Like the fact that Americans pretty much ruined Iraq, and Saddam Hussein's hand was driven by Americans to punish his people. He was not always an evil dictator. Thats what everyone has to realize. He became evil when he started to lose power. He was quite an ambitious, serious and great leader of Iraq up until the Kuwait War, very stupid stupid decision to go to war against UK/US coalition for a very dumb reason - more oil. Or maybe he started his downfall with the war on Iran - for the same reason - rich oil fields in western Iran.
Saddam Hussein could've made his country great, but he messed up. His ego destroyed his country.
Now of you'll excuse me, I gotta run to bed, the internet lounge is closing ...
Diginut - stop being egoistic - the oil prices are AT AN ALL-TIME HIGH, and there is no sign that they are going down. There are many factors for this, and I dont have time to list them all, but you should know that its more than just "supply and demand". |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
oil prices are AT AN ALL-TIME HIGH |
not as a percentage of GDP, or factoring in inflation |
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| DJ_Elyot |
Of course there are going to be problems with oil supply. We don't have an infinite amount of oil... whether it's going to "run out" in 15 years or in 150 years is anybody's guess. Unfortunately, the opinion of the scientists and researchers tend to depend on who they work for, so you can never get accurate info.
And of course... oil will never really "run out"... it'll just get so rediculously expensive that other methods become cheaper. When that happens, Canada will get RICH because of our oil sand deposits. Right now, it costs more to get the oil from the sand then the oil actually sells for... as soon as the oil price gets above that critical threshhold, we stand to benefit.
We all know that solar/wind/fuel cell technology is possible. It'll only become widely used when oil gets so expensive that solar/wind/fuel cells are more economical. Start investing now!! |
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| Rodrico |
No, hes right, its supply and demand, theres no oil depletion threat as of right now...thats just bull, its about time we started paying the prices for our oil, cause we f'ing consume way too much and pay too little. Either way, OPEC must go! Free Market for Oil!
As for Diginut, no, I just miswrote what you meant, I know what you meant to begin with. I thought I edited it, I guess it didnt go through.
Most of the argument lies in the ethics of how this war was treated as, in my eyes, he should get the can for being a liar, straight up. As for Regan, your giving him too much credit, he was even too dumb for his own policies. :wtf: |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
There are many factors for this, and I dont have time to list them all, but you should know that its more than just "supply and demand". |
No, it's supply and demand. The Saudis limit production to artificially inflate prices. That's the supply side. Oil, however, is still ridiculously cheap compared to the alternatives, so we still use a lot of it. That's the demand side.
Supply and demand. High-school economics. ;)
And to clarify, of course we're going to run low on oil, but it's not going to be a worldwide catastrophe, because the reason we use oil is because it's so cheap! We're perfectly capable of adapting when it gets more expensive than the alternatives. |
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| dEsidEL |
the spice must flow..
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