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Yet another American beheaded. This is the sickest thing ive ever seen. (pg. 15)
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| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
Originally posted by Tudo Beleza
Tortured Ugandan Political Prisoner
Wishes Uganda Had Oil
KAMPALA, UGANDA—A day after having his hands amputated by soldiers backing President Yoweri Museveni's brutal regime, Ugandan political prisoner Otobo Ankole expressed regret Monday over Uganda's lack of oil reserves. "I dream of the U.S. one day fighting for the liberation of the oppressed Ugandan people," said Ankole as he nursed his bloody stumps. "But, alas, our number-one natural resource is sugar cane." Ankole, whose wife, parents, and five children were among the 4,000 slaughtered in Uganda's ethnic killings of 2002, then bowed his head and said a prayer for petroleum |
They have no oil so noone gives a about them.:rolleyes: :whip: |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
People like you watched Powells presentation and said that WMD existed becuase a couple of balck and white photographs with trucks circiling a building was enough to bomb Baghdad.
I am not an angry person. i just get irritated hearign the stupidity that comes out of right winged mindless posts. Its just so funny to see the excuses people are still using in support for this war.
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What exactly are "people like me?" I don't even know what presentation you're talking about.
You ARE an angry person, Cyrus. Whereas "people like me" have many things to say about many different topics, some of which being distinctly Left, you only seem to get so passionate when the subject is Iraq or Israel or anything involving Arabs. Labelling everything written by someone who disagrees with you as "right winged mindless posts" does not make it incorrect and does not even make it right-wing. Maybe you're just so far left that anything center-right looks extreme to you?
Do you think that there are no left-wing groups that support U.S. action in Iraq? What about the vast array of neoconservatives, who are absolutely and without a shadow of a doubt left-wing?
How would you even know which of us are left-wing and right-wing when you've never bothered to debate any political issues with us that are taking place within 10,000 miles? |
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btw, why doesn't America attack North Korea where it's proven that there is WMD? (not that I want them to)
and just for the record, I am no leftie :D
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some more stuff, hope people don't just skip it as usual...
Far Graver Than Vietnam
By Sidney Blumenthal
The Guardian - UK
9-16-4
Most senior US military officers now believe the war on Iraq has turned into a disaster on an unprecedented scale.
'Bring them on!" President Bush challenged the early Iraqi insurgency in July of last year. Since then, 812 American soldiers have been killed and 6,290 wounded, according to the Pentagon. Almost every day, in campaign speeches, Bush speaks with bravado about how he is "winning" in Iraq. "Our strategy is succeeding," he boasted to the National Guard convention on Tuesday. But, according to the US military's leading strategists and prominent retired generals, Bush's war is already lost. Retired general William Odom, former head of the National Security Agency, told me: "Bush hasn't found the WMD. Al-Qaida, it's worse, he's lost on that front. That he's going to achieve a democracy there? That goal is lost, too. It's lost."
He adds: "Right now, the course we're on, we're achieving Bin Laden's ends."
Retired general Joseph Hoare, the former marine commandant and head of US Central Command, told me: "The idea that this is going to go the way these guys planned is ludicrous. There are no good options. We're conducting a campaign as though it were being conducted in Iowa, no sense of the realities on the ground. It's so unrealistic for anyone who knows that part of the world. The priorities are just all wrong." Jeffrey Record, professor of strategy at the Air War College, said: "I see no ray of light on the horizon at all. The worst case has become true. There's no analogy whatsoever between the situation in Iraq and the advantages we had after the second world war in Germany and Japan."
W Andrew Terrill, professor at the Army War College's strategic studies institute - and the top expert on Iraq there - said: "I don't think that you can kill the insurgency". According to Terrill, the anti-US insurgency, centred in the Sunni triangle, and holding several cities and towns - including Fallujah - is expanding and becoming more capable as a consequence of US policy.
"We have a growing, maturing insurgency group," he told me. "We see larger and more coordinated military attacks. They are getting better and they can self-regenerate. The idea there are x number of insurgents, and that when they're all dead we can get out is wrong. The insurgency has shown an ability to regenerate itself because there are people willing to fill the ranks of those who are killed. The political culture is more hostile to the US presence. The longer we stay, the more they are confirmed in that view."
After the killing of four US contractors in Fallujah, the marines besieged the city for three weeks in April - the watershed event for the insurgency. "I think the president ordered the attack on Fallujah," said General Hoare. "I asked a three-star marine general who gave the order to go to Fallujah and he wouldn't tell me. I came to the conclusion that the order came directly from the White House." Then, just as suddenly, the order was rescinded, and Islamist radicals gained control, using the city as a base.
"If you are a Muslim and the community is under occupation by a non-Islamic power it becomes a religious requirement to resist that occupation," Terrill explained. "Most Iraqis consider us occupiers, not liberators." He describes the religious imagery common now in Fallujah and the Sunni triangle: "There's talk of angels and the Prophet Mohammed coming down from heaven to lead the fighting, talk of martyrs whose bodies are glowing and emanating wonderful scents."
"I see no exit," said Record. "We've been down that road before. It's called Vietnamisation. The idea that we're going to have an Iraqi force trained to defeat an enemy we can't defeat stretches the imagination. They will be tainted by their very association with the foreign occupier. In fact, we had more time and money in state building in Vietnam than in Iraq."
General Odom said: "This is far graver than Vietnam. There wasn't as much at stake strategically, though in both cases we mindlessly went ahead with the war that was not constructive for US aims. But now we're in a region far more volatile, and we're in much worse shape with our allies." Terrill believes that any sustained US military offensive against the no-go areas "could become so controversial that members of the Iraqi government would feel compelled to resign". Thus, an attempted military solution would destroy the slightest remaining political legitimacy. "If we leave and there's no civil war, that's a victory."
General Hoare believes from the information he has received that "a decision has been made" to attack Fallujah "after the first Tuesday in November. That's the cynical part of it - after the election. The signs are all there." He compares any such planned attack to the late Syrian dictator Hafez al-Asad's razing of the rebel city of Hama. "You could flatten it," said Hoare. "US military forces would prevail, casualties would be high, there would be inconclusive results with respect to the bad guys, their leadership would escape, and civilians would be caught in the middle. I hate that phrase collateral damage. And they talked about dancing in the street, a beacon for democracy."
General Odom remarked that the tension between the Bush administration and the senior military officers over Iraqi was worse than any he has ever seen with any previous government, including Vietnam. "I've never seen it so bad between the office of the secretary of defence and the military. There's a significant majority believing this is a disaster. The two parties whose interests have been advanced have been the Iranians and al-Qaida. Bin Laden could argue with some cogency that our going into Iraq was the equivalent of the Germans in Stalingrad. They defeated themselves by pouring more in there. Tragic."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1305360,00.html |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
What exactly are "people like me?" I don't even know what presentation you're talking about.
You ARE an angry person, Cyrus. Whereas "people like me" have many things to say about many different topics, some of which being distinctly Left, you only seem to get so passionate when the subject is Iraq or Israel or anything involving Arabs. Labelling everything written by someone who disagrees with you as "right winged mindless posts" does not make it incorrect and does not even make it right-wing. Maybe you're just so far left that anything center-right looks extreme to you?
Do you think that there are no left-wing groups that support U.S. action in Iraq? What about the vast array of neoconservatives, who are absolutely and without a shadow of a doubt left-wing?
How would you even know which of us are left-wing and right-wing when you've never bothered to debate any political issues with us that are taking place within 10,000 miles? |
I AM an angry person???? First off.. youhardly know me, and second, im not the one that constantly and consistently whines about girls being bimbo's and not giving you the time of day.. try wanking the chicken.. it helps
Im not the one here that writes an ing essay in every single post and then when someone disagrees with you... and then discreetly calling them names.
You also have an arrogant online attitude along with a multitude of belittling innuendos of people who you deems as not having a "superior intellect" to yours
And with respect to the debates that take place withing 10, 000 miles of where im sitting.. well... i dont give a about canadian politics. I am interested in the middle east and the that has hit the fan by people in power with a like mind you and them cannot distinguish. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
im not the one that constantly and consistently whines about girls being bimbo's and not giving you the time of day.. try wanking the chicken.. it helps |
Digi got OWNED |
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| quote: | Originally posted by cap
Hardcore trancer and superstar,
Is it okay for Americans to savegly behead Iraqi's that have immigrated and live in America? |
No, it is not ok for anyone to behead anyone else. I don't know where you think I've said this. Here, I'll repost part of my response from page 9: I've said from the start that what these killers did is not right and I agree 100% they should be punished. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
I AM an angry person???? First off.. youhardly know me, and second, im not the one that constantly and consistently whines about girls being bimbo's and not giving you the time of day.. try wanking the chicken.. it helps
Im not the one here that writes an ing essay in every single post and then when someone disagrees with you... and then discreetly calling them names.
You also have an arrogant online attitude along with a multitude of belittling innuendos of people who you deems as not having a "superior intellect" to yours
And with respect to the debates that take place withing 10, 000 miles of where im sitting.. well... i dont give a about canadian politics. I am interested in the middle east and the that has hit the fan by people in power with a like mind you and them cannot distinguish. |
Am I the only one that can actually taste the irony here? |
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| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Am I the only one that can actually taste the irony here? |
YES |
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Diginut's review....I dont sense a happy person
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Ok, first thing I must say, for everybody who left early and was pissed that Liebing and Gaetek spun such short sets...
THEY CAME BACK ON AROUND 5:30!
So, I reaped my reward from enduring Picotto's mind-numbingly boring set. Chris and Gaetano were ON the mark last night and I was freakin' out to every second of their sets (well maybe not the first 20 minutes of Gaetek, but whatever, still kicked serious ass ;)).
BUT...
I am very, very pissed off that the Guv management decided it would be OK to lump both events into one due to pre-sales being bad (never mind the excuses about technical difficulties, we all know that someone said "hey, our ticket sales put us under capacity for the main room, why waste money on the Kool Haus?"). Simply put, I am now rethinking my plans to see JZ and Sasha. I have no choice but to take the Guvernment's blatant lack of respect for its customers as a personal insult.
I was NOT intending to have to spend the night packed into a ing sardine can and also getting no discount from the reduced list (I can only imagine how the KH ticket holders felt). I was NOT intending to spend my night with 80% sketched-out old Asians just ing standing around doing butt- nothing on the dance floor or crashing into anyone and everyone. I am very glad for the trifling amount of room we found on the stage, because otherwise I would have been out of there within an hour. And this was when the party was supposed to be well-organized! Paying good money to attend this club when I KNOW it's going to be an overpacked sketch-hole is something I can no longer rationalize, no matter how good the headliners are or how many of them there are.
Chris was awesome. Gaetano was awesome. Picotto was sub-par but I forgot all about that when they made the decision to "reinstate" the other guys. And it was great to have all my friends from TA there - you guys made it worth staying.
I personally had pretty good fun yesterday, but from a reviewer's perspective I cannot possibly give this night even one thumb up. For some reason I don't think it's a coincidence that the 2 bad reviews I've given since the beginning of the summer both involved events at the GUV. Whoever came up with the brilliant idea of shutting down the Koolhaus should be deeply ashamed - I fully understand that you've got your bottom line to worry about, but you also have a responsibility toward your patrons and your ticket holders, and if you absolutely HAD to close down the rest of the complex then you should have notified everyone through the promoters WELL IN ADVANCE.
You want to say Toronto partygoers are spoiled? I say any business that pulls this kind of stunt with its customers on a regular basis is spoiled. I rationalized the GUV up 'til yesterday by saying that events at the Koolhaus were less sketchy and a lot more fun, but now I can't even trust those. The ONLY REASON Guv continues to pull in a crowd this size and make money is that 5000 lame, pushy, rude, non-English-speaking 40-year-old Asian crack addicts have no other place to go on a Saturday night to deal/get high. That can't last forever though because eventually they're all going to either OD or die of old age. Your glory days are numbered, Charles, sooner or later you're going to find out that there's a limit on how much you can rake in from these sketchpads and after that you're going to wish you treated your GOOD customers with a little more respect.
Somebody give me a shout when the GUV is under new management. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Diginut's review....I dont sense a happy person |
That must be his evil side,the side that attracts all the bimbos :haha: |
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| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Am I the only one that can actually taste the irony here? |
Don't worry; they'll grow up one day. :)
For now just let them be ubercool with their Anti-Bush wave...because after all he's the source of everyone's problems in this world.
Hell, I spelt milk on me today and in today's Liberal world where you don't have to have a backbone and have responsibility; I immediately blamed Bush and his administration!
I feel so much better now!! |
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