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Yet another American beheaded. This is the sickest thing ive ever seen. (pg. 8)
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| djbruuen |
| i just saw the video and want to throw up...i think that is the most horrible thing i've ever seen in my life. and they did it in slow motion to, not just a quick blow...i just want to puke... |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by drewfactor
If you cannot see the clear distinction between THE DIRECT MURDER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE AS A MEANS AND AN END IN ITSELF and THE DEATHS OF INNOCENTS AS A RESULT OF MILITARY ACTION AGAINST AN ENEMY, then there is no discussion. |
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| mot10n |
just keep in mind that most of these conflicts result from the fact that the US either supplied arms and trained militants through the CIA (bin laden) or funded a tyrant's reign over a country (Saddam), then realized that the dictatorship was too big of a success story (in terms of controlling the public; saddam did do bad things) and started to branch off from the State's will of democratization. 15 years later, this stuff happens. it's cause and effect. it's funny and sad how a decade ago Saddam was best buddies with Rumsfeld and such, and the US pulls a 180 on him. the equivalent is giving a kid a gun, say have fun and wink, then arrest and blame him for all the killing he has done.
i wholeheartedly agree that these beheadings are gruesome and wrong, but the US has been funding genocide in other regions for much much longer. there's just more outrage because this has gotten through the media into the mainstream, unlike the US's previous trials.
this world is royally ed, and as theresa said, makes you wonder if you want to bring another life into it. :sadgreen: |
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| Superstar |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
| quote: | Originally posted by drewfactor
If you cannot see the clear distinction between THE DIRECT MURDER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE AS A MEANS AND AN END IN ITSELF and THE DEATHS OF INNOCENTS AS A RESULT OF MILITARY ACTION AGAINST AN ENEMY, then there is no discussion. |
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I think everyone here can see the distinction, and no one here is condoning the direct murder of innocent people so stop bringing this point up. The debate has shifted to a new argument, that the USA is partly to blame for bringing these deaths upon their citizens. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Superstar
that the USA is partly to blame for bringing these deaths upon their citizens. |
No the only people to blame for killing construction workers are the savages that killed them.
If it were military members being killed - your argument would make sense - but unfortunately in this case they're not, so it doesn't.
Further: Stop trying to deflect responsibility away from animals that kill innocent non-combatives in the name of "God". |
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| mot10n |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
animals that kill innocent non-combatives in the name of "God". |
Dubya and friends.
just trying to fuel the fire here. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by mot10n
Dubya and friends. |
Oh yeah.. Of course. They're rounding up non-combatant truck drivers and sliting their throats while screaming "Jesus is almighty".
:rolleyes: |
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| mot10n |
well, considering Dubya is supposedly god-fearing, and crusades against evil, one could argue that he is doing all thisin the name of Jesus. that's being very liberal tho. a good distinction is that Bush II is driving a war based fully on false pretenses: of WMD, of terror, and of faith.
and maybe he isn't blatantly rounding up and killing innocents, but that's because he (read: his government) can get it done in other ways.
lets face it: the US is able to coerce and terrorize nations because they present "danger" (namely, a democratic system that lets the people control the state instead of the other way around) every attack the US does is in "defense", making any retaliation aggression, therefore giving them due cause to invade and conquer. in this process, do you think the States cares how many innocents die in the "humane warfare"? ask Nicaragua, Vietnam, and most other conflicts the US has been involved in.
these retaliatory attacks by the militants is exactly that: retaliation, for the terror that the US has brought. Understandably Bush II is receiving the full force of criticism where it was really his father and Reagan that set the stage, but I'm getting carried away.
for one, these attacks are gruesome since they are more publicized, yet just as gruesome are the war crimes committed by the US under the cloak of "defense" and "liberty".
so if these attacks upset you, trace it back to the beginning, how they started, why they came about, and then you'll know the real reason why these are so barbaric. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| Ken, Chompsky is polluting your mind. :clown: |
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| Cal |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Oh yeah.. Of course. They're rounding up non-combatant truck drivers and sliting their throats while screaming "Jesus is almighty". |
Dude...if you want to compare, compare this
You know about the sanctions agains Iraq back in the day? Before the Iraq war? Well, these US-led sanctions have led to "hundreds of thousands of deaths, including 11,000, mostly children, in December alone".
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/j.../iraq-j25.shtml
I remember reading this interview where the reporter asks Condy about this, if it's worth it, and she gets as answer like: "These are aceptable losses"
I wish I could find you the exact quote.
Now, you still saying you're more sickened by this video of religious zealots in frenzy versus what calm and collected Condoleeza Rice is capable of, for example? |
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| mot10n |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Ken, Chompsky is polluting your mind. :clown: |
Chomsky. :p and yeah, he's great. linguistically amazing, and with evidence to boot, it's hard not to get motivated after reading him. :)
on another note, the net is swarming with these decapitation videos now, it's crazy. 3 years ago the only one was one of a chechnyan (sp? to lazy to correct) rebel. now, they're overflowing. coincidence? hmm. |
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| Sly_Guy |
| I don't wanna see this video. There are some things in this world I don't need to see. Hollywood violence is one thing, actually watching someone suffer as they lose their life is another |
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