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Yet another American beheaded. This is the sickest thing ive ever seen. (pg. 16)
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| ShadoWolf |
religion of peace! religion of peace!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
religion of peace! religion of peace!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
You really like to generalize about 1 billion people based on their religion dont you? |
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| DJ_Elyot |
First off... People! You can debate without insulting one another! Have a little more class!!! Regardless of the fact that I completely agree that this war is a mistake, you BOTH look like idiots.
Did anyone see the headline in today's Globe and Mail (ironically, a very right wing newspaper)?? Looks like war is here to stay for a long time:
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Washington — The United States faces a long war against radical Islam across Middle and Central Asia, the top U.S. commander in the region warned yesterday, while Secretary of State Colin Powell admitted that the intense Iraqi insurgency was spreading and getting worse.
Those two grim assessments came amid more violence in Iraq and only days after Iraq's interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi and President George W. Bush painted far rosier pictures.
"The American people need to brace themselves for a long war in the Middle East and Central Asia," said General John Abizaid, the U.S. commander whose territory stretches from Central Asia to the Horn of Africa and the Persian Gulf and most of the Middle East. The general, the most senior U.S. military commander, who is fluent in Arabic, painted the war as a sweeping ideological struggle for the hearts and minds of hundreds of millions of Muslims, a far broader war than Mr. Bush's international war on terrorism.
"They need to brace themselves . . . because the battle is being waged out here between extremists and moderates," the general said.
Like Mr. Powell, he predicted a upsurge in violence in Iraq in advance of elections planned for January, and warned that some areas might be too chaotic for voting.
"We are fighting an intense insurgency," Mr. Powell said yesterday. "It's getting worse, and the reason it's getting worse is that they are determined to disrupt the election," referring to Islamic extremists and Sunni fighters loyal to ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.
As the two top U.S. officials were appearing on Sunday television news shows, U.S. warplanes pounded targets in Fallujah, an insurgent stronghold and no-go zone for U.S. ground troops.
Just outside the town, two suicide bombers attacked a joint U.S.-Iraqi base with vehicles packed with explosives.
Although both vehicles detonated before breaching the heavily fortified camp, some U.S. and Iraqi soldiers were injured, according to coalition forces.
Meanwhile a former high-ranking Iraqi officer, Brigadier-General Talib al-Lahibi, who had supposedly been vetted and given a senior role in the new Iraqi security forces was arrested, apparently because he had been in contact with the insurgents.
No details of his arrest, which took place last Thursday in the province of Diyala, northeast of Baghdad, were given.
Whether President Bush made a huge mistake by waging war against Iraq is increasingly becoming the central issue in the U.S. election campaign.
With the vote only five weeks away and the first of three crucial debates between Mr. Bush and his Democrat challenger Senator John Kerry scheduled for Thursday, the country remains riven over Iraq.
Yesterday, Senator Edward Kennedy, one of the few who warned against the war before it was launched, accused the President of leading the United States into a quagmire.
"We are lost in the quagmire over there," said the liberal senator from Massachusetts, who is expected to hammer away on that theme in a major speech today.
A key element of the Democrat's latest strategy twist is to portray Americans as less safe because of the war in Iraq; Sen. Kerry has been promising to start bringing U.S. soldiers home soon if he wins next month's election.
The Bush administration seems split over whether even to hint that the force of 135,000 U.S. soldiers and marines currently in Iraq might be reduced any time soon.
Although Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld suggested last week that calm needn't prevail throughout Iraq before the forces could be cut, Mr. Powell was talking tough about the short haul.
"Because [the insurgency] is getting worse, we will have to increase our efforts to defeat it, not walk away and pray and hope for something else to happen," he said yesterday.
Gen. Abizaid was talking an even longer view.
He said radical Islam as an "ideological movement is just starting to gain strength" and suggested the combined resources of the U.S. political, economic, diplomatic structures, "need to come together with military power to defeat this ideology of al-Qaeda, Zarqawi, Ansar al-Islam, the Islamic movement of Uzbekistan, et cetera."
source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv.../International/ |
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| Superstar |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
HEY! Here's a question for you: How many Americans were "invading" Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, or whatever other country on September 11th, 3 years ago? As far as I ing know, America was doing all back then, and yet these "peaceful" people still took it upon themselves to murder thousands of INNOCENT civilians. |
I can't believe I missed this before... are you suggesting Iranians and Iraqis had something to do with September 11th? HOW DARE YOU make this kind of an accusation. You better try and defend this with some damn good evidence or else apologize.
There were 19 hijackers for your information, 15 came from Saudi Arabia. The others came from Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Lebanon. |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Superstar
I can't believe I missed this before... are you suggesting Iranians and Iraqis had something to do with September 11th? HOW DARE YOU make this kind of an accusation. You better try and defend this with some damn good evidence or else apologize.
There were 19 hijackers for your information, 15 came from Saudi Arabia. The others came from Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Lebanon. |
i don't think he meant those countries specifically .. it appears to be a generalized statement
i think generalizing is a sin on these boards lately :nervous:
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| DJ_Elyot |
| Let the ignorant people make a fool of themselves. We don't need to go out there and poke fun at them. |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
i don't think he meant those countries specifically .. it appears to be a generalized statement
i think generalizing is a sin on these boards lately :nervous:
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yeah its is bad to generalize other peoples countries when associating them to atrocities like 9/11. Lumping all middle eastern countries as one nation is what makes for stereotypes and racism (which I hope is bad in these bad types of ways), I dont care for reading infinity High's post, cause this is old, but some generalizations aren't always appreciated. As far from what I can read, infinity HIGH's post was poorly thought out and unresearched, many arguments could be said in retrospect, I know I would of said them if I read them.:p |
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| hardcore trancer |
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOING
HEHE check out this video.
Bush sucks
p.s. Bush lovers dont watch.:p |
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| arek |
good video.
funniest part.
arnold. |
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| maxtuh |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
I AM an angry person???? First off.. youhardly know me, and second, im not the one that constantly and consistently whines about girls being bimbo's and not giving you the time of day.. try wanking the chicken.. it helps
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OMG SO OWNED!:D;) |
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| drewfactor |
Just wanted to make a couple quick points, this thread is way to person and devoid of much proper debate.
Lefties, anti-americans, and bush haters are constantly stating a few tired facts about the Iraq war. One being that it's "all about oil" *yawn* and "the US used to support saddam." *sigh*
First off, if it was all about oil, why doesn't the US just invade all these other middle eastern countries and take their oil? Take Saudi, take Iran etc... The reality was that all the intelligence attained throughout the world said that Saddam had WMD capabilies and this is not something that could have been let go. Turns out there's no stockpiles (yet), but Iraq is making progress, and the war on terror now has a central front in Iraq. Eventually, the terrorists will be defeated thanks to America, no thanks to the Leftists haters.
Yes, the US supported Saddam at one point. During WW2, America was aligned with the Soviets to defeat Naziism. During the cold war (against the soviets), America aligned itself with dictators in the middle east. Bad policy decisions in the past? Yes! Did it help bring Communism to it's knees and allow the people who once lived under the death grip of communism to have freedom? Yes! So you see, things aren't so simple.
So please explain your arguments: The US supported tyrants to win a previous conflict, so those tyrants become threats to the security of America, the stability of the world economy, and exhibit murderous and genocidal traits.....so therefore America should just leave 'em be cuz they once supported them? You make no sense. Your argument is like a thin wafer, no substance, just sloganeering.
I think the reality is that all you leftist haters are pissed off that Communism is pretty much dead. Just as all the leftist politicians, pundits, intellectuals were on the wrong side of history during WW1, WW2, And the cold war...history will once again prove that you were on the wrong side in the war on terrorism. What
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| Rodrico |
first of all , the only reasons I've ever used the ole' "America used to be friends with Iraq" response, is for the fact that America was crying about the thousands of kurds he killed, when infact it was such a long time ago and no one did , and infact the weapons that were used belonged to America, France...
Secondly, what did America invade for? WMD? well since there wasnt any, and many soldiers are dying, shouldnt the bush administration get kicked outta office for causing an unjust war? , Clinton almost did for having a blowjob. Like always, no one says . Also, Iraq was less heavily armed to invade than Iran, and better strategically to attack from for Iran and many of the other middle eastern countries. Lets face it, the Bush administration thought that it would be much easier, but now theyre working hard to recover from the mess they caused, and get the chance to look that far ahead to see this coming.
And like I said, you cant say he has genocidal tendancies cause those crimes were done along time ago. And the Saudi's have just as much a violent country as Iraq was. So why didnt you America invade Saudi Arabia, also considering how many of the 9/11 terrorist were Saudi's, and some of it funded by terrorist Saudi's. Ah, thats right, the Bush's have close connections to the Saudi's. I wouldnt call the Bush's administration stupid, but Bush should come out saying sorry atleast, sorry for his mistakes, and the mistakes of his administration and his information. All together this is America's mistake and now have to deal with it, I hope every other countries does it best to make sure they feel that burden.
Last point, Communism is dead. You honestly believe that a true communism state can live on its own right? im sorry, but Communism is always doomed to failure with a world bent on living with capitalism. Capitalism just works better. The idea of Communism is nice and all, but it cant work.
I maybe a lefty, and may not like Bush, but I can always admit, hes good at turning around everything on everyone else and be void of the fact hes started an unjustified war and still say he can fight terrorism well (what has bush done really? other than trying to deny gay marriage, hah). His war policy is a farce, and even though Kerry will prolly be worse at it, i'd rather kick out that ****** Bush and his administration for theyre mistakes. |
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